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Title: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: Kushi on August 16, 2012, 03:25:08 PM
Searching for information about a crudely stamped token VICTORIA FERRY / V H. The reverse is blank. How and where was it used? Found in Australia.
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 12:31:56 AM
The VH could relate to Victoria Harbour in Hongkong. Hongkong was popular destination with Aussie tourists a while back and a stopover on international flights. Alternatively Victoria BC.

I doubt its Australian - I have not heard of a Victoria harbour here.

A picture of the token would be useful, also metal and size - the style is often a clue to its origin and age.
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: Kushi on August 17, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Thanks. That's a nice tip. Unfortunately I don't have the composition, size or photo of the token. Will try to pursue the Hongkong idea.
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: Figleaf on August 17, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
The ferries in Hong Kong are known as "star ferry". AFAIK they used coins only, notably the 5 cents, which was long the price of a second class ride between Victoria and Tsim Sha Tsui, the shortest and most important ferry line.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Harbour,_Nova_Scotia)'s a possibility.

Peter
Title: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: Bimat on August 17, 2012, 07:41:14 AM
Public transport tokens aren't dead yet.

They are in use at Delhi and Kolkata Metro (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10773.0.html) in India. :) I have used Delhi Metro tokens when I was there, but forgot to buy couple of those for personal collection. :(

Aditya
Title: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 07:47:16 AM
Hegarty's Ferries from Sydney's circular quay to Kiribilli S&S 720XP brass same both sides.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 07:54:20 AM
Sydney Harbour Ferries Pty Ltd. post WW2 for use in ferry turnstiles.

1 in centre, brass 22mm. S&S 720 XI

2 in centre, silvered brass 25mm S&S 720 XK
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 08:04:09 AM
Port Jackson and Manly Steamship Co, Ltd. Manly Ferry For use in the turnstiles

 "M" punched out in centre, brass 21mm S&S 480 XC

Adult token white-metal, 30mm. S&S 480 XD This is the only type I have used and bought a spare - the ticket office man thought I was nuts paying double fare.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 08:09:17 AM
Stockton Ferries Pty Ltd. same both sides. Used across the mouth of the Hunter river between Stockton and Newcastle in 1920's

S&S 700 FA silvered brass, 23mm
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
The wikipedia link above has a link to Victoria Harbour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Harbour) this lists several other Hongkong ferries current and in the past.

Having said that, by following links there you come to other Victoria Harbours in Canada...

    Victoria Harbour (British Columbia), a harbour, seaport, and seaplane airport
    Victoria Harbour, Nova Scotia, a community
    Tay, Ontario, a township which encompasses the hamlet of Victoria Harbour
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: Figleaf on August 17, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
Wonderful collection, Malcolm. Why would you want to silver a ferry token? If you want a different colour, wouldn't it be better to plate it in a harder, cheaper white metal, e.g. nickel?

Peter
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on August 17, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
Wonderful collection, Malcolm. Why would you want to silver a ferry token? If you want a different colour, wouldn't it be better to plate it in a harder, cheaper white metal, e.g. nickel?

Peter

That is a quite usual catalogue description for a plated brass coin and no silver involved - usually nickel.
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: FosseWay on August 17, 2012, 02:26:00 PM
Public transport tokens aren't dead yet.

They're still in use in Minsk and Kiev (or were in 2007) and I suspect elsewhere in the former USSR.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: andyg on August 17, 2012, 08:20:05 PM
the ticket office man thought I was nuts paying double fare.

That was, um, very Manly of you ;D
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on August 20, 2012, 01:17:16 PM

I also collect transport tokens including ferry tokens from Sydney.

Also have a couple of hundred Port Jackson and Manly Steamship Co, Ltd. (Manly Ferry) passes (badges) that were valid on the ferry for 3 months.  Every 3 months a new pass would be issued and different passes were issued for male and female travellers.

These would be used by daily commuters going to and from work.
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: malj1 on August 28, 2012, 12:06:13 PM
Searching for information about a crudely stamped token VICTORIA FERRY / V H. The reverse is blank. How and where was it used? Found in Australia.

I should point out the suggested reference to Victoria Harbour for the initials V H may of course be a red herring.
Title: Re: VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token
Post by: Kushi on August 28, 2012, 12:37:05 PM
Yes, I realize that. Am also trying to check if there ever was a Victoria Ferry in Victoria Harbour, Victoria, British Columbia.

In any case the forum discussion has led me to eight unlisted, modern, plastic Star Ferry tokens from Hong Kong. TKS.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on August 31, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
These have only been a side interest for me, accumulated rather than collected.

As for the passes, I look at the passes listed in Smith and think where do you start? You would need a job lot of two hundred or so before you could even consider it today; or have been a commuter! They are not even seen in Victoria, perhaps different in Sydney.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on March 12, 2014, 12:47:36 PM
Have located a token in a batch that I purchased and it is marked (uniface) VICTORIA FERRY  V H

I cannot locate in Smith or any other Australian Token book.  Has anyone any information about this token?


Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on March 12, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
We discussed this token about a couple years back, see VICTORIA FERRY crudely stamped token (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=16708.msg115004#msg115004)

No firm conclusion as yet. Kushi may come in with more. I feel its Canadian.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on March 13, 2014, 06:34:10 AM

Yes that is one possibility but need to be sure.  The lot I purchased was all supposed to be Australian.  All other ferry tokens were from Sydney and Newcastle.   This one was describes as VIC 1 from Victoria (Very Rare) but I am not sure.

So Hong Kong or Canada is possible but cannot find anything on it.
Title: Victoria Ferry incuse V H token
Post by: Kushi on March 13, 2014, 02:13:41 PM
The late Frank Seckold mentions this token on pages 115-6 of his book A Catalogue of Australian Ferry Tokens, Passes and Other Small Ferry Collectables, first supplement 1994. The token is also illustrated.

He cites two "Victoria" ferries, both in Sydney harbour. One operated 1856 to 1860, while the second was from the 1880's. Seckold believed the V and H stood for vehicles and horses.

Kushi
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on March 14, 2014, 12:19:59 AM
I have both Frank Seckold's catalogues from 1991 - it seems I need the supplement.  ::)

Title: Re: Victoria Ferry incuse V H token
Post by: humpybong on March 14, 2014, 06:45:34 AM
The late Frank Seckold mentions this token on pages 115-6 of his book A Catalogue of Australian Ferry Tokens, Passes and Other Small Ferry Collectables, first supplement 1994. The token is also illustrated.

He cites two "Victoria" ferries, both in Sydney harbour. One operated 1856 to 1860, while the second was from the 1880's. Seckold believed the V and H stood for vehicles and horses.

Kushi


I have the original and the second supplement but not the first.

Are you able to scan the relevant pages and email them to me, thanks.

Have not been able to locate one for sale anywhere.


Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on March 15, 2014, 01:29:06 AM
Thanks to Kushi have found out about this token. 



So now the answer is known.

Many thanks Kushi
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on March 15, 2014, 02:26:53 AM
Pleasing to see this attributed to the ferry 'Victoria"which was no doubt named after the contemporary Queen and was plying its trade on Sydney harbour, NSW.,  and thus has nothing to do with the 'State of Victoria'.

The counter-marked V H leaves open the possibility of other varieties; both counter-marked and un-counter-marked.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: Kushi on August 07, 2019, 10:54:27 AM
Bronze, 23 millimetres.
Photo: Barry Murray.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: Figleaf on August 07, 2019, 11:03:58 AM
This is clear evidence that the tokens were delivered to the ferry owner without the VH and these letters were punched in later (note that they are not well aligned, while the word FERRY is).

Peter
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on November 03, 2019, 09:36:15 AM
Bump...  :wicked: I thought we had it sorted? ???
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on November 07, 2019, 10:51:49 AM

Still looking for any additional information on this token.

Have not been able to get a copy of A Catalogue of Australian Ferry Tokens, Passes and Other Small Ferry Collectables Suppliment 1.

If any one has pages connected to this token would appreciate a copy of page by email.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on November 10, 2019, 08:39:23 AM

OK have found that I had a copy of Catalogue and it states:

VICTORIA FERRY (Location unknown but definetly Australian East Coast - still being investigated.)

Copper, 24mm, round, uniface, VICTORIA FERRY around the edge, V over H in centre, hand made, all letters incuse, R9


So still looking for any additional information to verify.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: Figleaf on November 10, 2019, 09:13:00 AM
Being closer to potential locations than a very large majority of us, why not do some original research? Call or email the local government, ask for archives, preferably online, scour the net for old newspapers. It might be a fun way to pass time and you never know how the experience with archival research will come in handy in the future. Good luck.

Peter
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on November 12, 2019, 02:35:06 AM

I did contact the Maritime Museum in Sydney but they could not help me
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on November 12, 2019, 11:56:19 PM
A search on Trove (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=victoria+ferry&s=0) suggests the most likely location could be Devonport, Tasmania

Quote   ...a motor ferry between Victoria Point, East Devonport, and the north end of the West Devonport 'wharf...

The North Western Advocate and the Emu Bay Times
Tue 18 Jun 1918
VICTORIA FEKRY.
At vesterday's meeting of the Mer
sey Marine Board Warden S. S. Field,
according to notice given, moved:
'Thnt. thn income from the present
East-West Devouport ferry be allowed
to accumulate, only necessary tempor
ary work being done meanwhile; that
when the accumulated amount is suffi
cient, it bo applied to tho establish
ment of a motor ferry botween ?Vic-
toria Point, East Devonport, and the
north end of thq West Devonport
'wharf, the placing of proper landing
pontoons and the connection with the
roadway; that the. present ferry be
closed when the new one is ready ; that
the secretary report when the funds
reach £400, so that plans and specifi
cations may be prepared for tbe worfc
to proceed.' Semething would have
to bo done for the 'future, and they
should look ahead. There was a con
tinual outcry for the. money to be
spent on the ferry, and that it was
wrong for it to be lying idle, but «
they kept on frittering it away, they
would have nothing tangible to show
for It. Tho board had allowed funds
to accumlate. and now had good, new
wharves, which spoke for themselves.
The action of the board justified it,
and what he proposed for the ferry was
on tho same lines. They should ac
accumulate tho money for a definite
purpose, and v. alt till a proper scheme
could ba entered into. The question
as to which would be the best landmg
points might be arguable, and if de
sired that part of the motion could
be deleted. Warden S. Field eecond
?d the motion. Warden H. Hays sup
ported ' tho principle, but suggested
that the portion specially mentioned by
Mr Field be cut out. Warden Field
agreed to the deletion, and tho mo
tion was carried. The Master Warden
said that there was £252 in hand and
it would bo several years before HM
was available. The Master _\\ arden
said' that Sir. J. VvilUs' report as to
the proposed gioin at the ferry land
ing was not to hand, as expected, iue
ferrvmen had three propeller blaues
broken this month, and it was an ex
pensive matter. Ho thought the work
should be carried out as soon as the
information came to hand. 1 he cost
was estimated at £15. On the motion
of Warden Thomas, seconded by War
den Havs, it was decided to carry out
the work provided the engineer s re
port be favorable. Warden S. Pries
Lid that they snould have information
us to revenue, received by the lessees
of the ferry.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on November 13, 2019, 12:01:17 AM
Queensland could also be a candidate with a ferry near the Maryborough saw mills

 Maryborough Chronicle, Wide Bay and Burnett Advertiser Qld.
Tue 8 Apr 1873
THE VICTORIA FERRY.
(To the Editor of the Chronicle.')
Fir, — Your leading article, local, and tbe
several letters which have lately appeared
under this heading, show that the writers
either know nothing of what they write about,
or have a private reason for advocating the
removal of the feriy to that 'remote locality ,'
Tiger and Odessa-streets.
' East Maryborough,' in his letter, asks,
' Where is the future site to be ?:' and shows
why it should not be at the Union Saw Mills
His suggestion to have it further up the river
to Tiger and OdeBso- streets, mould not he a bad
move jor znoor i/irce cana- owners tnereabouts ,
but of little or no use to the hulk of the popu
lation mho vse this ferry, and reside at and
near tbe Maryborough Saw Mills. He truly
states the cost to malte the approaches thire
mould be great, — yea, more than the present
revenue admits of, but suppose the saw-mill
traffic was withdrawn (as it certainly would
be, if the ferry be placed at this ' remote'
place). His aigument, tbat it would be out of
tbe track of steamers, is poor. What about
the feriy at Kangaroo Point, Brisbane ?
' West Maryborough' follows in much the
same strain, but the drift of his argument is
' not that it would be of any advantage to
those requiring the ferry, but because there
mould be every chance of a good road being
made to the Natural Paddock.
Your leading article comes next, and you
very truly remark that the proposed crossing
at Tiger and Odessa-streets is '? remote from
the centre of traffie bat' you greatly err
when you state it is more central to the ' bulk
of the residents on the east side.' Knowing
better, I most emphatically deny it. Ask the
lessee of the ferry, if you have not time to see
ror yourseii ; ne win ten you rrom where be
derives tbe ' bulk' of his revenue ; surely that
may be taken as a guide. I wish you bad par
ticularised the '' several independent advan
tages.' Speaking of making the approach at -
Odessa-street, your term 'some cutting' is
scarcely expressive enough for such an expen
sive undertaking. You say this place is pre
ferable to a crossing at the Union .-aw Mills, —
granted ; but you show a weakness for having
Kent-street made right down to the ' Natural
Paddock,' which of course (according to your i
own argument) would need be done were the
ferry removed to Tiger-street, that 'remote
locality.' ' Kill two birds with one atone 1'
Yo-i. Not a bad move, that.
In yours of the 3rd, a local appears against
Alderman Walsh's sensible motion to remove
the ferry to Dundas and Walker-streets. You
make some very groundless statements therein,
for yon are entirely wrong in saying this site
' would entail a long and circuitous journey
to those who use the feriy.' In fact, to the
large majority ot tne population using tne
ferry it will be quite the reverse. -
'? Watchman's' letter in the News of 22nd
March, also 'Manslaughter's' in the same
paper on Saturday last, argue that tbe 'land-
ing at Tiger-street is flood proof,' but crossers
do not wish to remain there till tbe flood goes
down, and how are they to get to town ?
The following facts I consider favorable to
Alderman Walsh's motion : —
1st. The bulk of the inhabitants who use
this ferry live at and around the Maryborough
Saw Mills, or have business therewith. Refer
ence, ferry lessee.
2nd. The saw-mill traffic is equal tc £jj»out
one-tbird of tbe revenue. Reference, ferry
lessee.
3rd. By removing to Odessa-street, the saw
mill traffic would be lost.
4th. There are two good hotels in Dundas
street, put up purposely for ferry crossers'
accommodation. By removal to Odessa-Btreet
these would be of no use for the purposes in
tended.
5th. The road to Walsh's proposed »ite wants
very little money expended thtixton, the road
being made on the east side to within one
hundred yards of the river, and as no cutting
or logging is required, a few pounds would
make the approach on that side. As to the
Maryborough side, the cutting required is
small, and as that consists of gravel, the Cor
poration have the very thing at hand to make
first-class approaches.
6th. Steamers from this place can be seen at
either of the saw-mills, thus giving plenty of
time for the punt to pull safely across
7th. Vessels never anchor or drag their an
chors at this very place,— at least, they do not
require so to do.
8th. The currents run here so as to be of ad
vantage to a punt crossing.
9th. The wind never affects this place,
whereas at Odessa-street the winds would be
as bad during atorms as where the ferry now
is, and parties who use this ferry know that
to™r^t1epuJr,ti8alm08timpOB6ibIe8afel-
10th. It is adjacent to. the Government
offices, post and telegraph, banks, wharfs, and
tvi w ? ,'ut .it,fl a ,one way from
the Natural Paddock — viz., Tiger-6treet.
? A Fac!t.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on November 13, 2019, 12:04:41 AM
New South Wales also gets into the act with
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on November 13, 2019, 12:05:35 AM
Victoria tried without success too.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: malj1 on November 13, 2019, 12:10:38 AM
We can't leave it without mentioning the public conveniences at Devonport - for want of a better description.
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: Figleaf on November 13, 2019, 04:47:07 AM
Fine research, malj1! You easily outdid the Sydney maritime museum. Indeed, leaving out Victoria steam and Victoria bridge, you end up with Devonport and its much abused facility for the relief of internal stress. Not conclusive evidence, but good enough to consider Devonport the best candidate. With that knowledge, you can try to dig more focussed and deeper to see if any arguments against Devonport come up.

Peter
Title: Re: Australian Ferry Tokens
Post by: humpybong on November 14, 2019, 12:23:08 PM

Great information malji1.....that is more than I have found, many thanks.