World of Coins

Medieval and cash coins => Cash type coins => Topic started by: capnbirdseye on June 27, 2012, 10:39:26 PM

Title: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: capnbirdseye on June 27, 2012, 10:39:26 PM
Scoured  KM looking for a likeness for this coin,it looks  from more modern times compared to the others I posted, might even be machine made ?


weight 3.87g    25mm
Title: Re: Chinese or Korean cash to identify
Post by: Figleaf on June 28, 2012, 01:10:59 AM
Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1

obv: Ka (top) Nei (bottom) Tsu (left) Ho (right)
rev: bun (Edo), hence its nickname, bunsen

Peter
Title: Re: Chinese or Korean cash to identify
Post by: capnbirdseye on June 28, 2012, 10:19:57 AM
I didn't think to look at Japan  ::) I'll check some more that look similar.

Vic
Title: Re: Chinese or Korean cash to identify
Post by: akona20 on June 28, 2012, 12:03:33 PM
I think Southern Song but I have to get my brain into gear.
Title: Re: Chinese or Korean cash to identify
Post by: akona20 on June 28, 2012, 12:20:27 PM
tung pao is simple but is it Chia ting Southern song
Title: Re: Chinese or Korean cash to identify
Post by: Afrasi on June 28, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Peter was absolutely right.
Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: akona20 on June 28, 2012, 10:33:15 PM
Hmmm, not good when an old resource, learnt by heart, was wrong. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: translateltd on June 29, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
The story I read was that the Kan'ei Tsuho coins with that character on the reverse were cast from the metal obtained when a giant statue of the Buddha was melted.  No idea if the story is true or just a long-standing myth, though.

BTW, the character break is "Kan" (top) "Ei" (bottom), not ka-nei.  Older texts use the spelling kwan.

Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: capnbirdseye on June 29, 2012, 09:51:05 PM
I gather from KM that the mark on the rev is Edo (Tokyo)
Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: translateltd on June 30, 2012, 11:56:34 AM
I gather from KM that the mark on the rev is Edo (Tokyo)

It may have been applied/used in Edo, but it isn't what it says :-) 

Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: Figleaf on June 30, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
The kanei tsuho were made in quantity, over a long period and in several mints. That makes it unlikely that they were made of one source of metal. Nice story, though.

Peter
Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: translateltd on June 30, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
The kanei tsuho were made in quantity, over a long period and in several mints. That makes it unlikely that they were made of one source of metal. Nice story, though.

Note that the "Buddha statue" story, whether apocryphal or not, relates only to those with the character "mon/bun" on the reverse, not *all* Kan'ei tsuho coins which, as you say, were made in many locations and for a couple of centuries.
Title: Re: Japan, mon, around 1668-1700, Cr 1.1
Post by: capnbirdseye on June 30, 2012, 01:23:57 PM
Note that the "Buddha statue" story, whether apocryphal or not, relates only to those with the character "mon/bun" on the reverse, not *all* Kan'ei tsuho coins which, as you say, were made in many locations and for a couple of centuries.

Found some info here which seems to be a credible source  : http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2241&chapter=211785&layout=html&Itemid=27

Quote: SCARCITY OF COIN AND MEASURES TO CONSERVE IT
 In 1667 AD, the sale and purchase of copper was prohibited. Next year the copper Daibutsu (Giant Buddha) at Kioto was melted down and made into coins—quite a contrast to the practice of an earlier time of melting down coins for idols. The export of copper was also prohibited