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Title: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 19, 2012, 10:13:34 PM
Parent topic: Thematic sets from the 1920s to date (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15809.0.html)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 19, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
Before the First World War, when monarchies and empires were the rule, heraldry, coats of arms and royal emblems were far more likely to be seen on coins than anything else. However, since the 1920s the use of themes (flora, fauna, ships, architecture, etc.) on coins has increased enormously.

I want to make a list of these thematic sets by year. I can’t do this all by myself, so I would like the members to point out any I have missed. I will be open-minded up to a point, but I will be the final arbiter of what I include. Here are some of the guidelines I will be following:

1] By thematic, I mean a design with a representational theme: flora, fauna, ships, national heroes, etc.  Heraldic, symbolic and abstract themes, and coat of arms, do not count.

2] To be included, a set must have circulated. In some cases this will be difficult to determine.

3] I will include no sets from Andorra (pre-2014), Monaco, Liechtenstein, San Marino or Vatican City. I regard these all as being of dubious numismatic value.

4] A set must include at least three coins with a thematic design, and these must also comprise at least 50% of the coins in the set.

5] A set must be stable, complete and permanent in any one year, and not on-going.

6] I will exclude sets where I judge the physical coins to be poorly made or the designs to be poor, trivial, or only borderline thematic.
 
7] I will not necessarily show designs that have been subsequently added to a series when new denominations have been released. It would take too long to include them all.

8] I will not necessarily show designs after the original coin format (e.g. size, shape, metal content, denomination, legend) or the accompanying obverse design has been changed. That would be too time-consuming.

9] I will illustrate at least one design per set but will list all the thematic descriptions. I will include designer names where known.

These are guidelines only, not rules. I want to avoid long discussions about technicalities and keep it good-natured and fun.

Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 19, 2012, 10:16:01 PM
I will expand on some of these points.

Point 1] - for some people, heraldry (for example) would be a theme. However, I am restricting the topic to modern representational themes. This also excludes sets such as Armenia, which uses geometric patterns on its current circulation coins.

Point 4] disqualifies the UK 1937 set: it has (arguably) 3 thematic designs (ship, bird, plant), but the majority of the designs are heraldic. By the same token, very few sets are entirely thematic, as often one coin shows the coat of arms or the head of state.

Point 4] also disqualifies e.g. Peru of the 1960s, which has only two denominations using the same vicuña design.

Point 5] - the Bahamas has an on-going policy of modernising its standard designs: in recent years, the 1 cent and 10 cent coins have been updated, with new designs on the same theme (starfish and bonefish respectively). I will not include these designs until the new design series has been completed.

Point 5] again - we have an inconclusive situation in the USA, where in recent years some standard denominations have had fixed designs, whilst others have had their design changed most years.

Point 5] also disqualifies one-off UK commemorative circulating issues (50p, £1, £2 coins) that circulate alongside longstanding standard circulation designs.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Prosit on June 19, 2012, 10:25:25 PM
Point 6 would seem to exclude the Austrian 2-Schillings since they occured over a 10 year period..  So to be clear you are talking about thematic year sets?
Dale
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 19, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
Point 6 would seem to exclude the Austrian 2-Schillings since they occured over a 10 year period..  So to be clear you are talking about thematic year sets?
Dale

Roughly. It's not an exact science. I want to capture the first year when a set becomes a fully-fledged thematic set, according to my guidelines: at least half of its coins, and not less than 3 in any case, must carry a thematic design.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 20, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
While the guidelines are fairly complex, I do enjoy the images and your comments. :) One side note: You wrote (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15809.msg108305.html#msg108305) that “BELGISCH” was unfortunately misspelt as “BELGISH”. Well, that coin was minted in Philadelphia (US) ... maybe they were in a hurry (this was a WW2 issue) but it sure is a funny error.

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 20, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
While the guidelines are fairly complex, I do enjoy the images and your comments. :) One side note: You wrote (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15809.msg108305.html#msg108305) that “BELGISCH” was unfortunately misspelt as “BELGISH”. Well, that coin was minted in Philadelphia (US) ... maybe they were in a hurry (this was a WW2 issue) but it sure is a funny error.

Christian

Yes, you would certainly have expected an Inglisch speaker to have misspelt it. Well, Anglophones misspell their own language plenty, because there are very few "rules".

As for my guidelines being complex, well, we coin collectors are a bit Asperger's and love to analyse and categorise. Actually, there aren't TOO many guidelines. Some are just me saying how much I'll display of a set, or that I'll only display the original design (not all the reduced sizes and different metals and dies with a dot and without a dot). It forestalls some of the comments and questions I'd otherwise get.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 21, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
Makes sense, yes - after all, those "guidelines" primarily explain what coins/sets you will include, what will not be in here and why. I am looking forward to seeing more of your examples ... and can still bicker later, in case I believe that this or that should be added or left out. :)

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 21, 2012, 12:51:00 PM
Glad you like it, Christian! More coming very soon - and I have some in the wrong order, so I will correct that.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 21, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
I did briefly consider showcasing 3 Romanian coins from the 1960s that show industrial scenes. However, all the other denominations show just the face value, so unfortunately they don't cohere as a set. You can see them by clicking on the link below:

Socialism on coins (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,3277.0.html)



I also briefly considered including the Sierra Leone 1964 set but decided that some of the designs were too stylised to be regarded as thematic.

Well, 1966 proved to be an interesting year for new releases. At the time I was still a child, though I did have a few coins. I can remember wondering who that man* was with the fez on my hexagonal coin, and why the initials PM* (which happen to be my own too) appeared on that coin and on the Irish barnyard set too. (* answers: King Farouk, and the initials belonged to the designer, Percy Metcalfe).
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 21, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
You may notice that I have changed one of my original guidelines. I now include sets where there is only one thematic design, which is used by at least three coins. Sometimes the same design appears on all the coins - Qatar and Dubai is an example. I think there are quite a few examples of this also in former French Africa. If so, I have omitted some important sets, so I will look at French Africa later and then insert those sets in the correct year.

I am even thinking of splitting out all those sets with a single thematic design and displaying them in a related topic, also by year, since there must be quite a few such sets. If I look at the Qatar set, which shows a single design of a ship, I think I should include it, as the ship is very nicely designed. However, that ship is also the state symbol - should I exclude the set for that reason? Hard to decide. And Kuwait also has a set with a nice design of ships. If I exclude one, probably I should exclude the other.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 21, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
Thinking of the original Mauritius set of the 1930s, where only the deer design could be considered a thematic design, I wonder if there are any other sets with that curious structure - having only a single thematic design and coin?

My other thought is how many sets exist where all the coins bear a single thematic design, such as the Qatar and Dubai set of 1966.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 21, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
Brazil had a couple of short FAO sets, one around 1975 (3 coins), and another around 1979/80.  I consider them too trivial to include in the topic.

Some sets almost look like sets, but they are too messy and incoherent. Austria's pre-euro set was a mess, as is Madagascar's set (sets?) since the 1970s. Germany's pre-euro set, though not thematic, looked like it was made up from three different sets, but Christian will disagree.

Then there are those sets that are almost perfect, but which have one or two dissonant components. I love Singapore's first set, the marine series (seahorse, etc.). But then they go and include the squinte (merlion) among the real animals! OK, so it could be regarded as the country's national symbol, and therefore similar to a coat of arms on the top denomination of any other country. Fair enough. But look at the design on the 1 cent coin: a fountain in front of a flat block! Who on Earth thought that would fit in with the rest of the set? Surely somebody could have thought of another sea creature? Even a plant or flower would have been better than a block of flats!  ::)

 
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 21, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
Germany's pre-euro set, though not thematic, looked like it was made up from three different sets, but Christian will disagree.

Who, moi? Nah. :) The 1 Pf to 10 Pf coins all have basically the same design (the little oak tree). The 50 Pf has a similar small tree, but there is also that woman who plants it. Not really part of the series. The 1 DM and the original 2 DM coins have almost the same design again, and the 5 DM is ... different. Problem is, that oak tree may not really count as a thematic design here.

The last Dutch pre-euro set also had common theme, but those are various geometric patterns, and from the early 80s anyway.

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 22, 2012, 05:11:57 PM
Well, I'm learning a few things as I advance through my long topic. Zambia issued its first coinage in 1964 and decimalised in 1968. A mere four year gap. Did anybody do it any quicker?

The Philippines issued a set in 1967 and a new design series in 1975. The next one occurs in 1983. So that's a new design series every 8 years. Why do they need to do that? Still, that's twice as long as the roughly four year gap that the Isle of Man used to leave. But in my home country of the UK, the last gap was 40 years: 1968 to 2008. (By 1968, I mean the first phase of the introduction of UK decimal coins, the final phase taking place in 1971).
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 23, 2012, 12:49:58 AM
Well, there's a strange thing: I can't find an eligible set for 1978. Have I missed something?

Mostly I sit at my PC and search the net for decent images for this topic. It's less trouble than hefting out my albums and doing a scan. And in any case my scans are not great - you can see them in the Rhodesia 1975 post. It's much better to find a nice image online, whether a scan or a photograph.

Some sets are not well photographed online, though. I wanted to show a 1976 Seychelles set but had to make do with a 1977 set instead. The 1976 set seems scarce now. I have uncirculated sets of 1976, 1977 and 1981/2, but then again, I didn't really want to heft 1976 out, just to make some ugly scan of it.

In general the availability of superb images has increased enormously, even, I would say, just in the past couple of years. The internet is still in its relative infancy, of course.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 24, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
Well, there's a strange thing: I can't find an eligible set for 1978. Have I missed something?

Don't think so, but I am not sure. Afghanistan issued a new set in 1978 ("Democratic Republic" instead of "Republic"), but theme wise that does not qualify ...

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 26, 2012, 12:27:14 AM
Finland issued a 10 markkaa coin for circulation in 1993, finishing a new wildlife design series that it had started in 1990.
The Schön catalog, by the way, lists four coins from that series as "Seasons" issues:
Seasons (1) Spring - 10 penniä (first issued in 1990)
Seasons (2) Winter - 50 penniä (f.i. 1990)
Seasons (3) Summer - 5 markkaa (f.i. 1992)
Seasons (4) Fall - 10 markkaa (f.i. 1993)

What is a little strange is that this would leave the 1 markka coin out (which has a somewhat different design). Side note: In 1983 Finland started using both Finnish and Swedish for the denominations. These coins were the first circulation coins to reflect that change.

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 26, 2012, 12:36:47 AM
The Schön catalog, by the way, lists four coins from that series as "Seasons" issues:
Seasons (1) Spring - 10 penniä (first issued in 1990)
Seasons (2) Winter - 50 penniä (f.i. 1990)
Seasons (3) Summer - 5 markkaa (f.i. 1992)
Seasons (4) Fall - 10 markkaa (f.i. 1993)

What is a little strange is that this would leave the 1 markka coin out (which has a somewhat different design).

Christian

That's because there are only four seasons in Finland, Christian.  8)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Figleaf on June 26, 2012, 11:24:12 AM
Indeed. <k>, as opposed to NW Europe (that includes the UK), where you have only two. A three months winter and 9 months of autumn. ;D

Peter
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 26, 2012, 09:47:22 PM
I can’t find any thematic set that was issued in 1995. There was still a lot going on in 1995:

1] Croatia and Macedonia issued 50th anniversary FAO versions of some of their circulation coins.

2] Fiji issued a circulation dollar coin.

3] Haiti issued two higher denomination coins:

1  gourde.    Citadel of Saint-Christophe.
5  gourdes.  Four native politicians: Toussaint L'Ouverture, Christophe, Dessalines, Pétion Sabès.

4] Iceland issued a 100 kronur circulation coin, showing a lumpfish.

5] Malawi put the effigy of the new president on its coins and replaced the cockerel on the 1 tambala coin with two tilapia fish.

6] The Maldives issued a 2  rufiyaa circulation coin, showing a conch shell.

7] The United Arab Emirates reduced the size of their 50 fils and 1 dirham coin, and did the same to the 5 fils and 10 fils the following year.

And of course there were all sorts of collector coins commemorating 50 years of the UN and the FAO programme.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 28, 2012, 02:03:12 AM
Jamaica from roughly 1990 onwards is another messy one. Hard to decide where the new national heroes series begins or ends. It looks as if some of the denominations went through 3 formats in the space of a very few years. How easy to find are the 50c variations, andyg? I wonder if the coin is actually used much there - or ever was. The Norman Manley portrait always reminds me of the cretinous features of that genetic thug, the late Ronnie Biggs, English train robber ("The Great Train Robbery"). In fact, the real Norman Manley looked nothing like him in real life.

I've missed out 2 or 3 sets that I wanted to include, so I'll go back and insert them eventually. Then I'll also make sure to put the countries in alphabetical order within year.

So, I've made it to the 21st century - not far to go then. I couldn't find anything for 1999.

I've learnt one or two things along the way. Hadn't realised that the Sao Tome 1997 species were described in the German catalogue, though it was the Royal Mint who told me some years ago that the coins were designed by Robert Elderton.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 28, 2012, 10:43:27 AM
So, I've made it to the 21st century - not far to go then. I couldn't find anything for 1999.

Ah, but I already mentioned elsewhere that you could be flexible when it comes to the euro and cent coins. :) In several countries the dates start with 1999, as that is when the euro was created. Granted, they were not available to the general public until mid-December 2001 ...

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 28, 2012, 12:00:07 PM
Ah, but I already mentioned elsewhere that you could be flexible when it comes to the euro and cent coins. :) In several countries the dates start with 1999, as that is when the euro was created. Granted, they were not available to the general public until mid-December 2001 ...

Christian

And most are dated 2002, so let's be REALISTIC, Christian.  ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 28, 2012, 12:39:48 PM
"Most" is right. In terms of countries, of the eleven member states that introduced the euro in '99, five (BE, ES, FI, FR, NL) picked 1999 while six (AT, DE, IE, IT, LU, PT) picked 2002. I was trying to be helpful, as you wrote you had not found any 1999 sets so far. :)

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 28, 2012, 01:02:44 PM
I was trying to be helpful, as you wrote you had not found any 1999 sets so far. :)

Christian

Fair enough!  ;)  But I want to keep this topic practical, i.e. a year should entail the actual circulation of the coins I mention - that's all.  :)  If we can't find any that truly fit the bill, then that's how it was, so I'll just have to accept that.  :(
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 29, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
I have conflicting info on the Sudan set dated 2006. Some reports say it wasn't issued until 2007. Who knows the answer?
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 29, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
I do not but have a suspicion. ;)  The coins are dated 2006, but the currency reform was in January 2007. Also, the Schön catalog says, below the 50 piastres coin, "issued June 2007". Whether that applies to that piece only, or to the lower denominations too, I don't know.

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 30, 2012, 06:49:36 PM
At last I have got up to 2012. However, I have missed some sets along the way, so at some point I will backtrack and place these extra sets in the correct chronological order.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on June 30, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
Where's that "Like" button when one needs it ... ;)

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on June 30, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
Well, I'm glad you like it - and it's had a lot of views too. Very time-consuming to put together, so I'm relaxing a bit before proceeding again...
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Figleaf on July 01, 2012, 01:02:42 AM
This is yet another good example of what fun things can be achieved if people can just do their own thing their own way. WoC is what its members make of it. Whatever you like in numismatics, you will either find here or you can create it here or you can be inspired to create it somewhere else. Yes, tolerance brings chaos, but chaos bears creativity.

Peter
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: kumarrahul on July 01, 2012, 07:24:58 AM
Hi all,

Firstly I will like to thank <k> for this awesome compilation.  It's written beautifully and well illustrated.

I have a thought related to the post of 2005 for Gibraltar


2005.

Gibraltar.  The designs from the 2004 series were re-used, but on different denominations. This is a phenomenon that I have not noticed on the coins of any other country or territory.


I have noticed reuse of illustrations on different denominations in Israeli coins and in a very unique way.  Take for example the 100 Prutah design of the first Israeli lira (=1000 Prutah) which featured a Palm tree.  The coin was effectively 0.1 Lira.  The next series from Israel was when they had the Israeli lira (=100 Agorah) equivalent to the previous Lira.  0.1 Lira was thus equal to 10 Agora and hence featured the same design to denote equivalence.  This equation continues on to the next set as well which is the Israeli shekel was introduced with a redenomination of 1:10 Israeli Lira.  Thus, the old 0.1 Lira was now equal to 0.01 Shekel which is 1 New Agora and again featured the palm tree.  The next redenomination was for 1:1000 Israeli shekel where there was no equivalence, hence this design was dropped. 

The same trend is observed for all illustrations where they equate in absolute value to the previous currency.  I found this really very interesting.

I really like the designs on the Israeli coins and they exhibit a consistency right from 1950 based on the above observation.  In all, the Israeli set now has close to 15 different types of illustrations.  I wonder if these too could be featured in your thematic set compilation.

Regards
Rahul
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on July 01, 2012, 01:05:18 PM
Thank you, Rahul, I'm glad you enjoyed the topic. The reason I didn't include the Israeli coins you mention is because they're rather abstract and stylised, and I was looking for something more realistic and lifelike. This is a question of taste, and of course, what I consider lifelike, you may consider stylised, or vice versa. I just didn't think the Israeli coins fitted my parameters.

However, what you say sounds very interesting. You will notice that I always illustrate my topics, because I think that makes them much more lively and attractive. It would be interesting to see you create a topic on Israel, with a few images, to illustrate what you have just told us. You are the one with the knowledge and the enthusiasm to do it, so it's worth sharing your insights with us in a topic, as you never know what thoughts they will trigger in other members. That's what I mean by my signature, about turning data into knowledge.  ;)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on July 16, 2012, 07:15:08 PM
All done now: 164 thematic sets - and I'm exhausted.  ;)  Just as well it's Olympics year....
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: chrisild on July 17, 2012, 12:38:00 AM
You sure did a great job, thanks! But I hope that the phase of exhaustion will not last longer than for an athlete who takes part in the Olympics. ;)  As for the "re-use" of previous designs, with different denominations, many countries do that partially. Like when a 10c coin is phased out and a $2 coin is added with the design of the old piece. But Gibraltar 2004/2005 is quite a different case ...

Christian
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on August 07, 2012, 08:42:37 PM
I was wondering how many of these sets were DESIGNED by the Royal Canadian Mint.

1] Dominican Republic - 1989 set.

2] Cuba - 1994 onwards. The convertible peso set.

3] Zambia - 1992 set.

4] Uganda 1998 set.

5] Ghana - 2007 set.


RCM has also designed individual pieces for Madagascar, the Bahamas, and Ethiopia.

Around 73 of these sets were designed by the Royal Mint, just out of interest. Not an exact count.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on August 07, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
It is also interesting to look at these sets and their different styles. The New Caledonian coins have a distinctly French style to them. The Royal Mint has a different but recognisable style, which I think of as "British overseas style". Its influence can still clearly be seen in Australasia. The Royal Australian Mint recently produced a set for Samoa. It was designed by a Pole who emigrated to Australia, yet the set to my eyes has "British overseas style" written all over it. This is neither a criticism not a boast, just a remark on how influences travel and persist.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: kumarrahul on February 05, 2013, 04:15:35 PM
Hi, the Malaysian coin series introduced in 2012 is a beautiful set.  I propose this be added to the thematic series.

Rahul
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on February 05, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
I didn’t like the Malaysian set at first, but I have come to admire it more and more. When I created the thematic sets topic, I wanted to look at modern sets whose designs were representational and reasonably realistic, rather than heraldic, symbolic, or stylised. By representational, I mean art that represents real things in the world, such as humans, animals, plants, ships, architecture, etc. Of course, it could be said that anything is a theme: heraldry, for instance. However, I had to impose some boundaries, otherwise I would have had to include absolutely everything in the topic.

I think that the Malaysian set, though beautiful, is borderline in my terms. It represents patterns and motifs from various local cloths and fabrics. Now, if the coins had represented the objects themselves, that is, cloths and fabrics with these patterns and motifs, then I would have thought, yes, they are representing real objects. However, since the motifs are highly stylised, I would immediately have to think of including lots of other sets that are also highly stylised or depict patterns, such as the ones in this topic:

Patterns on coins (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15066.0.html)

For all these reasons, I don’t think the Malaysian designs would fit well in this topic, but I invite you to add them to the patterns topic.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Pabitra on January 17, 2014, 08:44:41 PM
It was written that unlike Hong Kong, Macau has continued to use old design coins.

I visited both these places in 2008.

Hong Kong too is using old designs. There was no requirement of  coins so they never got new ones minted. 1997 series was circulating commem coins but rarely seen in circulation.

Finally, in 2012, requirement of more coins was felt and new coins minted with old design.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_two-dollar_coin and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_five-dollar_coin.

Please note the mintage quantities.

I have 2012 five dollar coin and am looking for 2 dollar coin of 2012.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on January 17, 2014, 08:48:29 PM
Are these old coins still in circulation in Hong Kong the ones that portray the Queen, or the later ones with the bauhinia flower?
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Pabitra on January 17, 2014, 08:49:36 PM
Later ones.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Pabitra on January 17, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
Later ones.

2012 coin have been issued with Bahunia flower design.
The Queen coins are still legal tender but you do not come across them very often.
I do not know which mint was used for minting 2012 coins, perhaps Royal mint.
They certainly were not minted in China.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: SquareEarth on January 18, 2014, 05:02:47 AM
Do China's 1987 and 2000 sets count?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/a/a4/Cro01f.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/2/2c/Cro05f.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/f/f1/Cro1f.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/8/8f/Cr01r.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/8/8f/Cr05r.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/9/94/Cr1r.jpg)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on January 18, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Do China's 1987 and 2000 sets count?

1987?!!! Oh no, it's just taken me an age to re-post everything from 1992 onwards to fit in Iran, Syria and Yemen.  :-\  Every post is displayed in date order, you see - you can't just insert a new post between old ones. Did those sets really circulate, then?
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Figleaf on January 18, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
Don't worry, this Sunday, we'll all put it back in the wrong order (we hate order) and shake up the posts as well, so you won't be bored for the next two lightyears. :-*

Peter
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: SquareEarth on January 18, 2014, 05:52:09 PM
1987?!!! Oh no, it's just taken me an age to re-post everything from 1992 onwards to fit in Iran, Syria and Yemen.  :-\  Every post is displayed in date order, you see - you can't just insert a new post between old ones. Did those sets really circulate, then?

Err, both sets do circulate... Thousands of tons of them...

But you may argue that the 1987-1999 set is a wreath/spray set, and therefore shall not be counted as thematic.

But the 2000-present set is both thematic and circulating ::)

Another option is to wait for further more hidden sets to be discovered, and do the arrangement at the end of the year.

This guy who got 3000 yuan in coins (as compensation from a bus company) feels the same as you
(http://web.archive.org/web/20151110195051/http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/546/8nut.jpg)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Figleaf on January 18, 2014, 07:49:04 PM
Impresive. What did he doto earn such a heavy reward? Catch a graffiti "artist"?

Peter
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on January 18, 2014, 08:43:04 PM
But the 2000-present set is both thematic and circulating ::)

Another option is to wait for further more hidden sets to be discovered, and do the arrangement at the end of the year.


Really, it is not a proper set, as it just goes 1 jiao, 5 jiao, 1 yuan. Also, China is only a partially recognised state (PR China). From an aesthetic point of view, the designs are nothing to write home about, and I have already excluded the South Yemen set (circa 1976) for that reason. Additionally flowers are rather anodyne and bourgeois for a supposed revolutionary state. Also China is nominally Marxist, and I live in a country that is monitored by the NSA - if you get my meaning. As for hidden sets, I'm sure there are no more to stumble on that fit the bill, though future sets will certainly come along.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Figleaf on January 18, 2014, 11:38:16 PM
Come off it, you grand turtle in an underground station. PR means Prime Restaurants, as opposed to ER on British coins meaning Exotic Restaurants if you get my drift. Admit that you have never eaten so well (and spicy) in your life as in that Malaysian/Indonesian restaurant when World of Coins had a meeting in London. :D

A 1-5 series has been used elsewhere, ask any Israeli and if you want to believe the NSA is efficient, wait until the Mossad hears what you dare to say in public. So what's this elitist talk about partially Marxist Yemen being unable to produce good coin design when you have just posted some hateful coins from Azerbaijan that is not even partially Stalinist? :)

As they said in The Times when it was still an upper class newspaper: "dear sir, you err, you cur". >:D

Peter
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on January 19, 2014, 02:08:14 AM
Come off it, you grand turtle in an underground station.

You're thinking of Galapagos. He was a double agent. Me, I am <k> - mysterious <k>

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PR means Prime Restaurants, as opposed to ER on British coins meaning Exotic Restaurants if you get my drift. Admit that you have never eaten so well (and spicy) in your life as in that Malaysian/Indonesian restaurant when World of Coins had a meeting in London. :D
Spiciest was an Indian meal I had in Richmond. It was described as "fairly hot". With the first mouthful I gulped and spluttered, and literally couldn't speak for about 30 seconds. Goodness knows what "very hot" would have been like.

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A 1-5 series has been used elsewhere, ask any Israeli
True - but it's the utter lack of a 10, 20 (or 25) and 50 that I'm complaining about. The flowers are rather boring, so I'd prefer a design showing the early Chinese space programme.

(http://theghostdiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Hopeh-ufo.jpg)
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Figleaf on January 19, 2014, 02:32:20 AM
AHA! Now I know what the problem is. As wiki puts it: "One yuan is subdivided into 10 jiǎo (角), and a jiǎo in turn is subdivided into 10 fēn (分)." Just like the French once had a franc, décime and centime, the Chinese have two levels of subsidiary coins. Expressed in fen, those denominations are 10, 50 and 100.

Many years ago, I bought some buns in a Chinese bakery. The shop filled up with people wanting to find out if big-noses actually eat. When I was through ordering, I gave the young lady a pen and flattened part of the bag she had filled with my purchases. She wrote a 4 and a character I didn't know. I thought 4 yuan was a bit much and 4 fen was far too little and had no idea there was also a jiao option, but with all the people watching, I wasn't going to look like a cheapskate, so I gave her a 5 yuan note. Great merriment followed, someone pulled my wallet out of my hands, gave the poor woman 5 jiao and put my banknote back. They're probably still laughing.

Peter
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: SquareEarth on January 21, 2014, 07:12:20 PM
From an aesthetic point of view, the designs are nothing to write home about, and I have already excluded the South Yemen set (circa 1976) for that reason.

It's only true for the one yuan coin. the 1 Jiao and 5 Jiao coins are quite elegantly designed (The designers are different).
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on March 21, 2014, 07:59:57 PM
In the near future I want to update the Thematic Sets topic to include some more sets. Here are some sets that I will consider:

1] The 1982/3 issues of South Korea (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=26401.0). Not a great set, but it should be included.

2] The 1989/90, and 1990/1 sets seen in this topic on Brazil (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=22619.0).


Are there any others you would like to see included, which fit within my guidelines (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=15810.msg108262#msg108262)? I will only include sets that focus on representational designs that are reasonably realistic. This excludes heraldic, symbolic and heavily stylised themes, as well as sets showing geometric patterns. I have already ruled out Israel's set, for instance, as too heavily stylised and insufficiently realistic.

One set I think is borderline, along with the modern Comoros set, is modern Madagascar. I just can't seem to pick a year when a coherent thematic set exists in full.

 
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on November 26, 2014, 04:44:19 PM
The year is coming to an end soon, and so far I have only found one set for 2014 that meets my:

Terms of reference. (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15810.msg108262.html#msg108262)

Have I missed anything?
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on December 21, 2014, 09:21:21 PM
I have now started to update the main topic to include some more sets. Since posts can only be ordered chronologically, I have had to split the topic in two, with a link leading from to the second part of the topic. It will probably take me some days to finish the project. In the meantime, I may also update some of the  existing posts with better images.

I considered adding an Austrian set of the 1920s/1930s, but it doesn't look sufficiently coherent, thematically speaking.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on April 28, 2017, 11:09:35 AM
Did I record all the thematic sets for 2016 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15809.msg235705.html#msg235705)?

And which 2017 sets do I need to add? So far, I know only of the Isle of Man set. Are there any others?
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: quaziright on October 23, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
Brunei just came out with a new set
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on October 23, 2017, 05:13:33 PM
It's true. I'm waiting for some nice images, tho. I have only seen scrodgy and dreckid ones as yet.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: quaziright on March 07, 2018, 05:25:01 PM
There are new sets for Moldova, Argentina and Phillipines if Im not mistaken that haven't been updated in the parent topic. According to numista, Romania has changed the metal content of their set. I think Poland came out with an updated legend around their coins too a couple years ago
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on March 07, 2018, 07:54:18 PM
I think some of your comments are relevant to:

1] Major New Circulation Sets of the 21st Century (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10574.0.html)

2] Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10110.0.html)

which are run by Jostein and Aditya these days.

As for the thematic sets, thanks, I have them on my radar. Currently I have too much to do, and this isn't my top priority, but I hope to address it by end of March or early April.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: quaziright on March 07, 2018, 07:58:08 PM
Ah thank you. I didn’t réalisé there are two other related topics to this
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on May 06, 2018, 10:30:25 AM
There are new sets for Moldova, Argentina and Philippines if I'm not mistaken that haven't been updated in the parent topic. According to numista, Romania has changed the metal content of their set. I think Poland came out with an updated legend around their coins too a couple years ago

I've been very busy, but at last I shall deal with your comments. First off, you should read this extract from my "Terms of reference":

Examples of changes I do NOT regard as major (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10109.msg73160.html#msg73160).

I shall only include sets with three new coins or more. It is often enough that a country changes only two denominations or adds two, and really there are so many examples of this, that I simply wouldn't have time to deal with them. So, I shall say, somewhat ungrammatically, "Two's company; three are a set". As you see, the new Argentinian coins are only two in number. It is possible that other coins will be added to form a full design series, and then I would include them.

I am now looking at the other sets you mentioned to see which to include. Minor changes to legends and changes to metal content, I do not regard as major changes.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Big_M on August 28, 2018, 07:32:59 PM
I am not sure whether it qualifies but there are 2018 1 & 2 Leu circulation coins with the sun & moon motives.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on August 28, 2018, 07:47:38 PM
See: Terms of reference (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15810.msg108262.html#msg108262)


2] To be included, a set must have circulated. In some cases this will be difficult to determine.

4] A set must include at least three coins with a thematic design, and these must also comprise at least 50% of the coins in the set.

Are these truly standard circulation coins?
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: Pabitra on August 29, 2018, 04:18:25 AM
They are very much circulation coins but only two have been issued so far.
Balance two are planned for next year.
Title: Re: Comments on “Thematic sets from the 1920s to date”
Post by: <k> on August 29, 2018, 10:15:13 AM
They are very much circulation coins but only two have been issued so far.
Balance two are planned for next year.

I should add that I do not regard the Moldovan set as a thematic set, according to my terms of reference (TOR):

1] By thematic, I mean a design with a representational theme: flora, fauna, ships, national heroes, etc.  Heraldic, symbolic and abstract themes, and coat of arms, do not count.

This allows me to concentrate on a meaningful subset of the more interesting coin sets of the world. You will note that my definition excludes the sets of my own country, the UK, since they are heraldic. It excludes those of Armenia and Angola, since they portray motifs (abstract patterns - but not "patterns" in the numismatic sense). I would regard the current Moldovan set as symbolic, not classically thematic.

My topic, Major New Circulation Sets of the 21st Century (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10574.0.html), allows for a wider selection. The topic has its own terms of reference at the beginning of its comments topic (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10109.0.html). The Moldovan set is displayed there. However, the TOR allow for only the first appearance of a set. Having a denomination or two added over the years does not count, otherwise I would never be finished.