What is opinion on the following pattern coins
-1964 Rs 1 Nehru Silver
-1967 20 Paise [Emblem design, not lotus]
Quote from: kansal888 on June 13, 2012, 01:53:12 AM
I feel that the 1960 1Re (100 Naye Paise) was a pattern coin...
There is no doubt that this is a very rare pattern coin.
Quote from: dheer on June 13, 2012, 10:54:15 AM
What is opinion on the following pattern coins
-1964 Rs 1 Nehru Silver
-1967 20 Paise [Emblem design, not lotus]
The 1964 Silver Re 1 and 50 p coins are not patterns but simply fancy off metal strikes. There is another 1964 Re 1 coin with reeded edge and this can also be classified as a fancy made to order coin.
The 1967 20 paise is a pattern coin.
Quote from: repindia on June 13, 2012, 05:20:37 PM
The 1964 Silver Re 1 and 50 p coins are not patterns but simply fancy off metal strikes. There is another 1964 Re 1 coin with reeded edge and this can also be classified as a fancy made to order coin.
The 1967 20 paise is a pattern coin.
my opinion is all of them are fancy made to order coins. Pattern coins dont reach the public unless they are smuggled out. This particular practice dates back to 1942 at least that coin was good to look at
Quote from: The Oracle on June 14, 2012, 11:44:02 AM
my opinion is all of them are fancy made to order coins. Pattern coins dont reach the public unless they are smuggled out. This particular practice dates back to 1942 at least that coin was good to look at
You are right in regard to the OMS and reeded edge coins (and also the recently offered Rs 2 bi-metal coin). These are all probably made to order and smuggled out. The pattern coins may have been presented to some dignitary to show them how they look and then later came to dealers. Case in point the USA aluminium cents which made it out to the public. I have some 1949 patterns kept by mint employees and then send outside the country through legal means as the letter accompanying these shows. (The employee was British).
The 1960 Rupee (100 paise) and 1967 20 paise coins mentioned in this thread are regarded by the general numismatic community as patterns and really are, though you are entitled to your opinion. >:D
Quote from: repindia on June 14, 2012, 03:38:19 PM
You are right in regard to the OMS and reeded edge coins (and also the recently offered Rs 2 bi-metal coin). These are all probably made to order and smuggled out. The pattern coins may have been presented to some dignitary to show them how they look and then later came to dealers. Case in point the USA aluminium cents which made it out to the public. I have some 1949 patterns kept by mint employees and then send outside the country through legal means as the letter accompanying these shows. (The employee was British).
The 1960 Rupee (100 paise) and 1967 20 paise coins mentioned in this thread are regarded by the general numismatic community as patterns and really are, though you are entitled to your opinion. >:D
here read this about the cent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_aluminium_cent
it is more like the 1950 proof set rather than any pattern in terms of presentation and a circulation coin in terms of mintage. the examples you are giving have more in common with the million dollar nickels rather than the cent. When did you first hear about the 1960 rupee and 67 20 paise? I am sure it wasnt in 1960 and 67 respectively that itself will give you the answer. There are people out there who have got many pieces with different designs and years. Now either they are all patterns or they are all made to order or it might simply be a case of good marketing for some and not for others.
As you said everyone is entitled to their opinion. i choose not to drink the coolaid ;D
I tend to believe that Pattern coins do exist. Ideally they should never have left the mint. However every pattern coin can have a story.
The 1949 pattern coins that were definately minted as India needed new coins post republic. Its also known that these were rejected.
Now either the original engraver or someone else who was entrused with showing it around to everyone, kept the coins. At that time controversies do happen and everyone wants to forget them. Like 1949 coins sets. Its only later when the sentiments cool off do these surface back, partly because law would have subsided by them.
The 1967 pattern could also be true as during that time it was planned that coins will have images of National Bird, Flower, Animal & fruit. However only flower saw the light of the day. Again during those times in India coin collecting was still in infancy stage, hence no one bothered about these pattern coins. Few had the foresight [or were careless enough] to keep the coin home instead of in the mint. In those days anything not approved would have been considered junk....
Ofcouse even during those days it could be possible someone was making different coins just for the fun of it [errors / off metal etc]
However of late the types of coins one is seeing in the market could be tailor made.
A pattern coin is one which has been produced to check either a new metal composition or a new design. The 1967 20p coin was a precursor to the 1968 series of brass 20p coins. The 1960 Rupee coin was minted similarly for the series of Rupees starting 1962. Prior to these there were no 20p coins and the Rupee coins were older design of 1950-1954 before the decimal series started.
The 1949 coins were similarly patterns and not fancy pieces minted for amusement.
I do not know of any other modern fantasy piece coming out of the mint except for the OMS pieces which I also consider spurious but later legitimised by the mint by circulating them!
I have created 2 new posts
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15747.0.html
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,15747.0.html
where we can discuss 2 other such coins.