Has anyone seen one of these before?
It is a farthing-sized token from Falaise in Normandy, issued by a local dentist.
Does anyone know an approximate date of issue, and are there other dentist's tokens from France?
You never stop learning... :o Wait till Bart sees this. :)
There's a small collection of dentist-themed tokens here (http://www2004.free.fr/sujets/jeton.htm).
Not listed in Elie. Probably an advertising medal.
Peter
This token is an advertising token from end of XIX° century. During that period, several different dentist tokens existed.
Just let me dig in my collections and I will be able to show you at least 4 or 5 other french ones
To have a taste, look here below : This one was from a dentist in Angouleme, North of Bordeaux
Two other ones ( Both from Paris )
Tomorrow, I will scan three other ones very particular : They mix dentist and .... spiritism !
Wow! Fantastic! Never seen any of the kind!
I have a collegue who specialized in hypnosis (and knowing the basics of hypnosis, I know this really works, though not with everybody) but spiritism...
It brings me to ideas, but they are impossible to realise due to deontological codes, I am afraid.
Thanks for sharing.
Bart
Completely agreed with Bart. These made my day. On the Esnault token, two letters are partially filled in, but I read Place du Dôme. There is no Place du Dôme in Paris today, but there is a large courtyard in the middle of the Rue du Dôme that may at one time have been the place du Dôme.
Fancy address. Must have been an expensive dentist.
Peter
Quote from: Figleaf on April 22, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
You never stop learning... :o Wait till Bart sees this. :)
There's a small collection of dentist-themed tokens here (http://www2004.free.fr/sujets/jeton.htm).
Not listed in Elie. Probably an advertising medal.
Peter
That link does not work for me.
There is a a chemist, Gerrard of Longton Staffs., who advertised TEETH SCALED AND STOPPED WITHOUT PAIN on a farthing sized piece with the bust of Victoria on the obverse.
Quote from: malj1 on April 23, 2012, 12:59:30 AM
That link does not work for me.
There is a a chemist, Gerrard of Longton Staffs., who advertised TEETH SCALED AND STOPPED WITHOUT PAIN on a farthing sized piece with the bust of Victoria on the obverse.
Works here,
try this link to view the website via a proxy,
http://freeproxyserver.net/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3d3dzIwMDQuZnJlZS5mci9zdWpldHMvamV0b24uaHRt&hl=1111101001 (http://freeproxyserver.net/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3d3dzIwMDQuZnJlZS5mci9zdWpldHMvamV0b24uaHRt&hl=1111101001)
copy the url http://www2004.free.fr/sujets/jeton.htm into the box...
Thank you! that worked instantly.
...and proxy bookmarked for another day :)
The Esnault token is confusing because there are two different addresses :
- One in Paris ( on the reverse ) : Rue St Honoré ,20
- One in Milano ( on the obverse ) : Place du dôme, 5
Mysterious Achille Barborin dentist tokens :
These tokens are almost never found without a hole, as if it was worn on the neck.
Mr Achille Barborin was a french dentist . In 1860, he patented a balm named « Baume Achille » ( See extract from London Gazette Sept 5,1862 )
Three different tokens are known, all with the same obverse ( Mr Achille Barborin's profile ) but with different reverses :
1st : A woman with a scarf on her eyes – Inauguration par Mme Achille - Paris
2nd : Same one, but with a spelling mistake ( "inoguration" replacing "inauguration" )
3nd : A star – Inauguration par Mme Achille
1st & 2nd are very strange : why to put a scarf on the eyes of this woman ? Not to see the dentist ? Hum...
In fact, today, there is a consensus among the french token collectors : During the second half of XIX° century, soothsayers or spiritism meetings were enjoyed in the best society ( doctors, chemists, writers, etc...) . This woman could represent a soothsayer, and this token is considered to have two advertising targets, one on each face !
Another mystery; there is no piazza della cupola in Milano ???
Peter
But there is a Piazza del Duomo, of course. :) Maybe the designer and "maker" of that token did not know that dôme and duomo look very similar and have the same root but different meanings ...
Christian
Good thinkin', Christian!
Peter
Hello
I have also one dentiste token from TOULON ,
Best regards Gerard
(http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/14/89/20/87/cab_1_10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=534&u=14892087)
(http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/14/89/20/87/cab_2_10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=535&u=14892087)
Thank you for all your observations and contributions; most interesting.
Personally I would have had little faith in the hypnosis or spiritism - I would have chosen gas or chloroform without hesitation!!
I also have an English dentist's token which I have attached to this reply. This piece was issued by Samuel Wilde of Liverpool, and can be very accurately dated by the trading style of the maker, to between 1858 and 1863. Note the prices for artificial teeth. Wilde also appears on the 1861 census as a "surgeon-dentist" and lived at the surgery with his wife and an assistant. False teeth became increasingly popular after the introduction of anaesthetics in the late 1840's, as people were more willing to have extractions.
Another is on Simmons auction at present.
506 France, advertising medal, portrait of Napoleon III and Eugenie by Caqué rev. William
Rogers Dentiste 270 Rue St. Honore Auteur de Plusieurs Ouvrages Scientifiques
Quote from: Thruster853 on April 23, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
False teeth became increasingly popular after the introduction of anaesthetics in the late 1840's, as people were more willing to have extractions.
This may be the key of the series. Note how many dentists stress something creative or scientific. I know that in Victorian times, dentists would routinely pull all teeth (including healthy ones) and replace them with false teeth, a practice my grandmother still underwent. I know the operation was so expensive that it would be an acceptable marriage gift. Something like: it is unavoidable anyway, so you may just as well get it over with now. Also, all kinds of little adjustments were available to adapt a dead person's set of false teeth for one of his descendants. :P
All this must have been big business for dentists, provided they could show they knew about these "new methods". That's where these tokens may come in: you can read them as a covert ad to have all your teeth pulled (sorry, Bart).
Peter
Quote from: Figleaf
All this must have been big business for dentists, provided they could show they knew about these "new methods". That's where these tokens may come in: you can read them as a covert ad to have all your teeth pulled (sorry, Bart).
Peter
You mustn't be sorry, Peter. Having all your teeth pulled for a "beautiful" prothese was innovating at the time. It's true nowadays we want to save as much as possible, but we cannot judge our former collegues following the standards of today.
Bart
Here is a badge from a token lot received today.
manufactured by Fattorini.
[does not fit my collection though; so....]
Hi,
I'm now working on a book presenting French advertising tokens with one part dedicated to dentists.
You will find some on line. Not all are represented here.
Jetons de dentiste et produits associés ? Wikicollection : Rationnement, jetons (http://wikicollection.fr/?p=92478)
Best regards,
Laurent
Excellent, Laurent. Tenez-nous au courant.
A propos, nous cherchons une personne qui peut nous aider à établir une section dans World of Tokens pour les vignettes métallique françaises des impôts de bicyclettes. Comparez ici (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/wiki/Netherlands_Bicycle_tax_tokens).
Peter
Emile Magitot, friend of Zola and de Maupassant, doctor to Napoleon III and led the fight of medical dentistry, led by "stomatologists" with training reserved for doctors.
Célébrités d'antan (médecine) (http://histoire.villennes.free.fr/Pages/Extension89.htm)
A very interesting link you have given I shall return later to read in its entirety with Google translates help of course.