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Medieval and cash coins => Cash type coins => Topic started by: Figleaf on April 12, 2012, 11:27:21 PM

Title: Korea, Sip Chon T'ong Bo (imitation?)
Post by: Figleaf on April 12, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
Not any known emperor. Paris, who has god-like qualities when it comes to Chinese, states here (http://www.numismatique.com/forum/identifications/identification-monnaie-chinoise-t55285.html) that it says Shi qien tong bao, or money of ten units. An eBay seller identified it as a Korean 1678, which makes no sense to me. I also find the diameter of 36 mm (our eBay enthusiast says 40 mm.) too large to be true.

My verdict: modern Chinese fantasy. What do you think?

Peter
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: akona20 on April 12, 2012, 11:47:28 PM
Our friends really need to understand that both sides of a coin are needed. Ten units (cash) is definite that's about all I can say.
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: Figleaf on April 12, 2012, 11:59:25 PM
Forgot to mention that. Other side is blank. Sorry.

Peter
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: akona20 on April 13, 2012, 12:04:45 AM
Okay, then a temple token of sort would be my guess.
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: akona20 on April 13, 2012, 12:07:00 AM
Ummm let me think again, was it blank or was there something on it that was not letters but a minor design like a square around the hole.
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: Figleaf on April 13, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Here is the illustration from eBay showing both sides.

Peter
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: akona20 on April 13, 2012, 12:33:55 PM
Ah, it is not actually blank, you see the sqaure around the hole.

Now That might make a difference.
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: pingu on April 14, 2012, 08:08:05 PM
Attention!

The seller fangkongtian is listed worldwide as a Fake-seller! 90-95% of his coins are forgeries.
Or does one say Replikas?

Wrong patina, wrong optics, missing characters on the 2nd side, hence no Token and no coin - Only the counterfeiter gives her fancy full scope.

 ;) Greetings from Germany
pingu
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: pingu on April 15, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
Hello,

very helpful sides in the net (small however important choice):

http://chinesecoins.lyq.dk/eBaydealers.html (http://chinesecoins.lyq.dk/eBaydealers.html)
http://fakecash.blogspot.de/ (http://fakecash.blogspot.de/)
http://china-mint.info/fakechinesecoinsellers.html (http://china-mint.info/fakechinesecoinsellers.html)

Greetings from Germany
pingu
Title: Re: Definitely East Asian :-)
Post by: Paris on April 15, 2012, 02:36:04 PM
Thank you all. I was almost sure this was a fake. The same seller was selling “an original helmet from Zhou” and “authentic weapons from the Warring States Period” (75 dollars, don’t loose your chance).
Akona20: I totally agree with you and always ask for both sides (+diameter+weight+idea about metal)… but sometimes asking is not efficient.
Figleaf : you know I do not read Chinese. My wife does  ;)
Title: Re: modern Chinese fantasy
Post by: weepio on April 22, 2012, 09:21:06 AM
Maybe the seller has a lot of fakes (and I'm not saying this one is real! I really don't know!)

At least he is right about the coin being of Korean origin.

The pages are from Cast Coinage of Korea by Edgar J. Mandel
Title: Re: modern Chinese fantasy
Post by: weepio on April 22, 2012, 09:24:22 AM
The text is hard to read. So again, only the text.
Title: Re: modern Chinese fantasy
Post by: Paris on April 22, 2012, 11:58:00 AM
Thank you very much Weepio! I translated the text in French and published it in the French-speaking forum with references and scans.