" starting with the druid, a nasty person who liked blood offerings and making magical walls with heads or skulls..."
They still do in Pontypridd ;D
Ah, the home of the legendary front row 8)
Right! I restricted my thinking to wine production. I have a company restaurant token good for a glass of wine somewhere...
But that becomes a "mer à boire"! What we usually call beer tokens could just as well be used for wine. The amount of beer tokens is unimaginably large.
Peter
I believe there are a few wine merchants in the Australian 19th century series of tradesman tokens; this one springs to mind. [although not in very nice condition]
You can have the one above if you would like it. I think I have a South Africa too, E. K. Green and Company wine merchant Cape Town; must check!
Found this expensive Welsh Wine token here... [blank reverse]
http://www.rarecoinsandtokens.co.uk/abergavenny-wines-and-spirits-merchant-token-p-671.html (http://www.rarecoinsandtokens.co.uk/abergavenny-wines-and-spirits-merchant-token-p-671.html)
Its yours! I don't have the other - E. K. Green and Company, wine merchant, Cape Town unfortunately.
Here are my latest acquisitions / donations ;D
Only 30 pfennigs! >:(
as an introduction see this page...
http://conuvi.com.ar/index.php?topic=2953
and then the listing...
http://issuu.com/pelo84/docs/cat_logo_de_fichas_de_vendimia__mayo2012-_?e=3515868/2904706
I imagine these were attached to a bottle with a wire perhaps?
I have a pair that are similar: BEL OISEAU REIMS around the cap of maintenance; rev. 1876 CHAMPAGNE EXTRA-DRY.
The second piece has the same obverse but the reverse is blank.
Both of these are usually included in Isle of Man collections as the eagle on the cap of maintenance is the Stanley crest and is used on the copper coins of James Stanley, 10th Earl of Derby, 1702-1736.
Fribourg/Freiburg: I find that it is "on the cultural border between German and French Switzerland" Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fribourg).
A fascinating site indeed! 8) No tokens though as far as I could see. :o
Can't lay hands on it at the moment, but there's also a Deinhard Wine Florin in exactly the same format.
And incidentally I found mention of Bel Oiseau. In Sydney & Brisbane! Newspapers from 1879-1880 say "CHAMPAGNE-Bel Oiseau, in quarts and pints." Class! 8)
Nice one! It seems there are many dates, quite a collection could be formed.
Previously you mentioned:
This is said to be the origin of the expression "mind your P's and Q'a" a reference to your tab by the publican.
The "quarts & pints" were more likely to be bottles and magnums, although pint bottles did exist. The Victorians though did have a hearty appetite when it came to champagne. The bubbly was drunk from champagne tankards, usually of silver. I own a silver third pint champagne charger which looks very much like a pewter pint pot except smaller and with much thinner walls.
Quarters, thirds, halves and pints were all common champagne measures up until the advent of WWI, the glass flute seems to have first appeared around the 1890's.
P.S.
I've just remembered that pint bottles of Moët were still available in London in the late 60's
Thanks again Mal. ;D
I've been charging around this site (http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4)
I am allergic to anything like BRUT (http://www.brutworld.com/) that has a scent. ;D
I imagine these were attached to a bottle with a wire perhaps?
;D
You can read the whole article in French here (http://www.echange-passion.com/t4139-z-plaque-de-cuivre-pour-un-muselet-de-theophile-roederer-co)
Some lovely pieces in that thread too 8) and here (http://www.echange-passion.com/f98-les-plombs-de-champagne)
I think I may have been bidding against you on that one.
Impressive, andyg. Did you get an explanation of the lettering?
Peter
Sorry, can't serve alcohol to minors.
A lovely set beautifully done. And done this way they shouldn't be mis-identified for the real thing like other replicas.
This is a Ccmplete set of ten coin tokens issued by Kijafa cherry wine producer V&S Danmark A/S in the 1970's.
The tokens bear the designs from ten different Danish gold coins - Gold coins appear on the label of Kijafa cherry wine bottles.(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/1012015/1428877539_1393180007_wine1horz.jpg) (http://www.snapagogo.com/photo.php?id=69258)Uploaded at Snapagogo.com (http://"http://www.snapagogo.com")
Just to come back to the " flûte " token ( from cooperative de Saulnes ) - Reply #137
In fact, these tokens are for bread : A "flûte" weighs twice as a baguette - Look at the second picture below which was taken at a baker's : baguette on the left and flûte on the right.
Bon appétit !
A "flûte" weighs twice as a baguette
A nice looking set. You don't say what they are made of, they look to be thick card? ???
Chambres de Commerce Herault. 10c. Bit grubby :-[ but still 8)same token in higher grade
It seems that the holes were made in a separate operation, so if they are in the same place it would be a coincidence. I would call the other differences "different font". :)
Peter
The differences I've noticed.
Obverse
Hole position.
Letter spacing in REIMS differs.
Reverse
Different size circumflexes on 'E' in SYSTEME.
Accents over 'E' in DEPOSE, or dots.
Letter spacing in CBF differs.
Not sure about full stops after C,B & F.
The tags can be removed but she has plated them too. :(
B.d'HAUTESERRE * / REIMS
SYSTEME CH.B.F.
19.7mm
3.25g
My Fritz Strub token does say Reims - Bale
Alsace is most definitely not my cup of tea.
You'd have to have twisted both arms and both legs to have got that from me!
I like it 8)
If it would not be from Africa, it would be yours. But I will search for another one.
Thanks for the link, very interesting. Red is also the only wine for me :P
A very nice chap writes it. He's looking into the meaning of some abbreviations for me :-*
CH.B.F & C.B.F
The INPI have been absolutely useless and keep asking me to contact their premium phone line ::) :'(
So the man became an agent?
Any chance of seeing / paraphrasing the earlier article from Ridley?
A rare necessity token from Algeria : Vignoble du chapeau de gendarme ( vineyard of " gendarme's hat ")
Albert Camus ( French litterature Nobel prize in 1957 ) was born near this place because his father was the cellarman .
Well, if I am correct, and his "system" was the consumer direct selling method to cut out middlemen for his own champagne and he offered to both advertise & use his method for other Houses champagne, which we know he did, then yes I guess he was an agent. Hence any champagne he advertised & shipped had not only the name of the House(Clicquot, Hautserre) on the wine tokens but reference to his "system".
Unfortunately the earlier article from Ridley is unavailable.
O: PRIMISTÈRES PARISIENS / VINS / ET / ÉPICERIE / AVEC PRIMES
R: BON / POUR / [1,3,5,20 or 25] / PRIM' VACANCES / VALABLE EXCLUSIVEMENT POUR LE CONCOURS
Looks like PP CR-3 inkmark
Circle: 38.75mm
Octagon: 44.7x41.5mm
Unfortunately very rare token ;) but if I see another one, I will inform you redwine :)
Oh yes! 8)In french "gigoulette" is a " Jeune fille délurée, de mœurs faciles, fréquentant les bals populaires. "
Gigolette is a small leg or stew. So I'm going to translate as 'Long live wine and short legs.'
I was hoping it would read 'Long live wine and loose women.' Ah well :'(
Female gigolo, I like it! 8)
(countermark 365)
E.K. GREEN & Co LTD / WINE / MERCHANTS / CAPE TOWN / (Countermark Y 8 ) ... Here's a countermark '7'piece. http://www.abccoinsandtokens.com/SouthAfrica.Theron.C018.005.html
I suppose that each store had its own number. Can anyone tell me how many variants there are? Many thanks.
Stores in Simonstown and Kimberley and apparently there is a card token. More info here http://www.tokencoins.com/tokens.htm#ekg
...
Apparently they are listed in:
Tokens of S Africa and their History (C16) - Dr G P Theron.
Strange font in OICC :oLocally made?
Could it be " O/CC " ?Could be. Nice thought ;D
A military organisation would have the brass ;) and would probably have the machinery to make the blanks, but they would probably not have the machinery to make dies or the coin presses. IIRC, there was no mint in Saigon at the time. They may possibly have been made in Japan or Korea.
Peter