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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Other European Influences => Topic started by: bart on February 26, 2008, 09:55:17 PM

Title: French India doudou
Post by: bart on February 26, 2008, 09:55:17 PM
New in my collection is this French India doudou. I thought it was struck in Pondicherry.

Bart
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Overlord on February 29, 2008, 04:46:45 PM
Hi Bart

If I'm correct, the reverse of your coin has the word Puduchheri (Pondicherry) in Tamil. From 1836 onwards, the fleur-de-lys on the obverse was replaced by the Gallic cock (with the year below). However, in most of the coins I have seen, the year is completely or partially off the flan.
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: bart on February 29, 2008, 04:55:21 PM
Indeed, on my coin the Gallic cock is depicted. The year, which must be under the cock, is completely off the flan.

Bart
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Overlord on March 09, 2008, 11:00:04 AM
Here are a couple of coins from my collection...

Doudou (fleur-de-lys type)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/Fl1.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/Fl2.jpg)

Doudou (Gallic cock type; with a bit of imagination, you can read the year---1836 ;))
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/Co1.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/Co2.jpg)
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: bart on March 09, 2008, 11:49:31 AM
Waw!  They're great! They show much detail!
I love those!

Bart
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Rangnath on March 09, 2008, 08:40:53 PM
Wow! I sure like them too; a beautiful fleur-de-lys and a very clear, though headless, cock.  Great coins.
richie
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Overlord on March 10, 2008, 04:49:45 PM
"... a very clear, though headless, cock...."
richie
How about this ;D
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/amitvyas03/CopyofCo1.jpg)
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Rangnath on March 10, 2008, 05:21:26 PM
Ah YES! Overlord.  Absolutely amazing.
All it took was a bit of cleaning to really enhance the value of your coin. 

I wonder how that would go over in an Ebay auction?
richie
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Overlord on March 14, 2008, 05:35:41 PM
I wonder how that would go over in an Ebay auction?
richie

"Extremely Rare French India Error Coin, Headless Chicken!!!"

That should get them ;D
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Rangnath on March 16, 2008, 11:08:48 PM
From Oesho:

a & b) French-India, Pondicherry. The problem with this sereis is that when
the image of the cock is clear the date is mostly off the flan. However when
the date is fully legible the image mostly becaomes a headless chicken.
Herewith two image showing the full image of the cock and the date (still
partly cut off) 1836. The reverse legend in Tamil reads: Pudu/chhe/ri

Similar coins, dated 1837 were struck in silver
c) 4 Royalins (2 fanon) 1837, ref.: KM#145
d) 2 Royalins (1 fanon) 1837, ref.: KM#144
e) 1 Royalin (1/2 fanon) 1837, ref.: KM#143
Title: French Indian 1 Doudou coin.
Post by: BC Numismatics on March 17, 2008, 05:15:34 AM
Bart,as I have mentioned to you on http://www.freepowerboards.com/worldcoins ,the French Indian 1 Doudou coin is actually a very hard coin to find.

The denomination 'Doudou' is derived from 'Dudu' (which is a British Indian denomination from the Bombay & Madras Presidencies).

All French Indian coins are extremely difficult to find.Be extremely careful,as there are some very deceptive forgeries around.

Aidan.
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Figleaf on March 26, 2008, 09:50:03 AM
The cock (especially he fighting cock) was familiar in South India, but I have to wonder about the ball under the cock's feet. It reminds me of the Chinese lion statues. When they play ball, they're masculin. However, the heraldic lily must have been completely strange to the Indians. The illustrations of the the superbly clear coins from Oesho's collection makes this yet another thread to drool over.

Overlord's funny smiley cock reminded me of an ad on the blind wall of a house in Antwerp, now disappeared, where a smiling cock is cooking a hapless cook in a large pot, saying "plezant hè" (feels good, doesn't it?)

Peter
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Overlord on March 26, 2008, 05:18:41 PM
Overlord's funny smiley cock reminded me of an ad on the blind wall of a house in Antwerp, now disappeared, where a smiling cock is cooking a hapless cook in a large pot, saying "plezant hè" (feels good, doesn't it?)
Peter
I would have loved to see that  :)

Oesho's comments on the doudoe series inspire me to write a philosophical quote:

Thou shall have the chicken or the date, but never both...................so don't order chicken while on a date  ;D

As for the ball under the cock's feet, I think it represents a globe.





Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Oesho on March 27, 2008, 10:34:07 PM
Overlord is correct when pointing out that ball on which the cockerel is putting its right leg, represents the globe.
E. Zay, Histoire Monétaire des Colonies Françaises (Paris 1892) described it the same way:
Coq gaulois, la patte droite sur le monde (French cockerel, the right leg on the world)
Title: Re: French India doudou
Post by: Rangnath on March 27, 2008, 10:59:28 PM
Nice call Overlord!
And thanks Oesho. 
I guess the cock on the coin really did have something to crow about!
richie