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Modern European coins except the euro => Austria and Switzerland => Topic started by: Prosit on December 12, 2011, 01:42:39 AM

Title: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Prosit on December 12, 2011, 01:42:39 AM
Is this KM #2028 under Austria?  The mint mark is only a B and the X is slightly different.
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Prosit on December 12, 2011, 01:43:06 AM
side 2
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Prosit on December 12, 2011, 01:43:52 AM
And what is the inscription and its meaning?
Dale
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: translateltd on December 12, 2011, 02:03:50 AM
And what is the inscription and its meaning?
Dale

I find the obverse a bit hard to read at the moment, but the reverse is IN TE DOMINE SPERAVI - I have placed my hope in thee, o Lord.

Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Prosit on December 12, 2011, 02:23:30 AM
Pppears to be:

FRANC D G  R IMP S A C E IER REX LOB M H D

Maybe

I know what quite a bit of that is for but not all of it.
Ands I may be mis-seeing some of it.

Dale
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Figleaf on December 12, 2011, 03:13:52 AM
FRANC D G  R IMP S A C E IER REX LOB M H D

FRANCiscus Dei Gratia Romanorum IMPerator Semper Augustus GErmanorum IERosolymorum REX LOtharingiae Barrum Magnae Hetruriae Dux

Francis I by the grace of god Roman emperor king of Germany Jerusalem duke of Lorraine Bar and greater Etruria

-- Roman empire: title also claimed by the czar of Russia, "elected" emperor of the holy Roman empire
-- Germany: title used before papal confirmation of the title of emperor
-- Jerusalem: claim against the Ottomans only
-- Lorraine: claim against France only
-- Bar: claim against France only
-- Greater Etruria (Etruria and Tuscany area?)

Edited in view of discussion below.

The Habsburgs had more fancy claims, but their power was real enough. It rested on the title of Archduke of Austria, not even mentioned here.

Peter
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Prosit on December 12, 2011, 03:22:27 AM
Thanks!  So it is similar to the image under KM #2028 under Austria but not totally exact.
Dale
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: translateltd on December 12, 2011, 04:43:22 AM
I thought Etruria was Tuscany, no?

Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Arminius on December 12, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
I thought Etruria was Tuscany, no?



Definitely - the home of the ancient Etruscans and rivals of Rome.

So it´s another Italian claim of the Habsburgs.

 :)
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Figleaf on December 12, 2011, 10:23:30 PM
Yes, but the coin doesn't refer to Etruria, but to Great Etruria. As in Brittany and Great Britain :)

Peter
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: translateltd on December 14, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
Yes, but the coin doesn't refer to Etruria, but to Great Etruria. As in Brittany and Great Britain :)

Peter

Ya live and learn - I've never heard of Great Etruria before, and English-language references on-line seem scant, at a quick glance.  Is it known by any other names to us non-Continentals?

While I appreciate the intended irony, the comparison with Brittany is amusing but inaccurate, before anyone is led astray by it! The "Great" part was added in 1603, so we have a lot to thank Scotland for :-)
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Arminius on December 15, 2011, 12:59:51 AM
Oh please big Peter,

show me, a humble creature of declining Europe, some testimonial reference to assure the Nuremberg area or Franconia in general was labelled Greater Etruria some era or time ago.

(I searched google and the wikis without a match - everything you can´t find there is just not relevant or even not existant they say)

 ;)
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Figleaf on December 15, 2011, 01:21:26 AM
Can't find anything either. Sorry. The connection with Nürnberg was mindlessly copied from KM. Now that I have enlarged it, I see a dot, cleverly hidden at real size, so I have misinterpreted "... Greater Etruria. (Nuremberg)" [text ending with Greater Etruria, legend occurs on coins of Nuremberg] as "... Greater Etruria (Nuremberg)" [text ending with Greater Etruria, which is actually Nuremberg]

Maybe Greater Etruria stands for Etruria and Tuscany?

Peter
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: natko on December 29, 2011, 03:58:46 PM
This is indeed supposed to be KM#2028, 1755 NB. N is on the other side of the throne. If weight is around 6,5 - 6,6 grams it's OK.
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Gerhard Schön on January 01, 2012, 11:51:42 PM
Yes, but the coin doesn't refer to Etruria, but to Great Etruria.
Of course you know that Magnus Hetruriae Dux means Grand Duke of Tuscany.
Happy New Year,
Gerhard
Title: Re: 1755 20 Kreuzer
Post by: Prosit on January 01, 2012, 11:59:07 PM
I knew what Magnus and Dux meant but not Hetruriae. 
Interesting coin.

Dale

 
Of course you know that Magnus Hetruriae Dux means Grand Duke of Tuscany.
Happy New Year,
Gerhard