World of Coins

Collecting coins => Fakes and imitations => Topic started by: <k> on August 01, 2011, 12:40:52 AM

Title: All the fakes
Post by: <k> on August 01, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
More fishing.
Title: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:03:57 AM
Dear Friends

Now a days, numerous fake coins are floating in the market (specially on ebay). Many coin collectors are not aware of these fakes. They sometimes dish out large amounts to buy these coins.

Therefore to educate all collectors, I am starting a new topic on fakes. You are welcome to upload images and links of all fake coins you come across.

In first part, I am uploading an image of fake 1Re Fisheries coins being sold on ebay. Starting price if Rs5001.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130584680018&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:IN:1123

Regards

Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: Fake 1 Re Fisheries
Post by: Abhay on October 09, 2011, 07:09:56 AM
I wonder who is making all these fake coins like Indira Gandhi with Rudraksha Mala, Ambedkar and now the Fisheries. And see the price - they are never sold for less than 4000-5000 rupees.

Abhay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:15:16 AM
Fake Indira Gandhi
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:16:15 AM
Fake 2 Anna 1955
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:18:59 AM
Fake coin of 1972: 25 Years of Independence
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:20:15 AM
Fake Quarter Rupee
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:22:28 AM
Fake 2009 5 Rupees (Photo Courtesy Sekhar Kaushik Ji)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:23:42 AM
1994 5 Rs fake
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:25:00 AM
2002 fake 5Rs
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 07:33:00 AM
fake FAO
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on October 09, 2011, 08:16:04 AM

Therefore to educate all collectors, I am starting a new topic on fakes. You are welcome to upload images and links of all fake coins you come across.


Appreciable initiative Sanjay , recently I got one Rs.5 wave coin of 2008 that is 200 % fake in comparison to other coins of same series.

Will upload its image later.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: paisepagal on October 09, 2011, 08:48:20 AM
This is a very good initiative Sanjay...I recommend that you start a sticky thread....rename this thread to "comments on all the fakes"...let everyone post their picture and comments here going forward ...and then you take the relevant bits and post it neatly in the sticky thread.

The very famous Ambedkar coin in the meanwhile
Ashwin
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 09, 2011, 08:55:48 AM
I request all my friends and fellow collectors to post pics and links of fakes.
This will educate us.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Abhay on October 09, 2011, 08:55:49 AM
And here is an Unusual 100 rupee Fake Coin (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,6160.0.html).

Abhay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on October 09, 2011, 09:51:46 AM
Dear Sanjay,
Good that you stared this item though belated. I have complained to ebay about this item and another item of Rs 10/- of of the same seller. I hope ebay will act. Regards,
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 09, 2011, 10:10:11 AM
I have advised tjhe seller. They have 6 hours to respond before the Ebay process starts.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 09, 2011, 11:17:46 AM
Well instead of just telling folks it is a fake complain to the seller and complain to Ebay or will you just take the easy course in these things and complain but really do nothing?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on October 09, 2011, 01:54:36 PM
Here is another  5 Rupees The Connectivity and Information Technology (2008)  Issue in Brass  (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,3838.0.html) most probably  a fake coin.


Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: rrjadhav76 on October 09, 2011, 07:34:06 PM
Well instead of just telling folks it is a fake complain to the seller and complain to Ebay or will you just take the easy course in these things and complain but really do nothing?
Well, I've tried the course of taking this with eBay and eBay consumer court but no result. eBay after all the discussions asked me to report it to the police and take that legal route. I must admit, I didn't take that route simply lack of time and having other priorities in my plate. But I still have that in TODO when I get some breather out of my current priorities.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 09, 2011, 10:50:42 PM
Okay, that has delineated what Ebay has suggested you do as per their own 'instruction' sheet on these matters however their 'instructions' as issued are in fact no legal in many countries. tTo cut a long story short you cannot issue a contract that is unlawful and you cannot aid a criminal offence. Ebay by its size confuses most of us and ir refuses to take any responsibility, wrongly, for the many sins committed by some of its listers.

Now we know what instructions have been issued we will skip the being nice stage.

However it should be noted that the first listing mentioned has now been removed so let's concentrate on some others. Please PM me the details.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Vivek on October 10, 2011, 03:11:39 AM
Dear Sanjay ji...Nice initiative.
I request all who upload photos to add few lines abt how to identify its fake for the uploaded coin. This will help others to identify  Original and Fake..For few coins its easy to identify..but for some its difficult. So request you all to put few lines abt Fake and Original coin details.
Vivek
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 10, 2011, 06:22:07 AM
Dear Akona

I appreciate your feelings.

Earlier, I sent PMs and emails to many sellers of fake coins on ebay. However, they just ignore my emails. Unfortunately, I cant leave a feedback about a suspected item unless I actually buy the item. I also sent some emails to ebay; but their standard response is that if a coin is fake; I must contact police. Ebay does not want to penalize the sellers for fear of losing business.

You might be aware that earleir, I wrote about some suspected items of a 'famous' coin auctioner. He started abusing me and threatening me.

So I have stopped sending emails to sellers / ebay. I think WOC is the best platform for spreading awareness. 

Regards
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 10, 2011, 10:07:41 AM
Hi Sanjay,

Well I am not intimidated by Ebay or dealers. My little group has had good success with Ebay so I will take on any case.

Now for our dealer friend, if he has any more fakes or frauds please let me know privately and action will be taken.

btw I did once go to the police after Ebay told me to. The interview was started
'Hi my name is Art and I have these letters from coin experts that show fraudsters and money launderers are selling fake coins on Ebay and Ebay will do nothing to help. My complaint I wish to lodge is against Ebay for knowingly facilitating a crime"  Hmmm
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: abhinumis on October 10, 2011, 05:14:32 PM
Here is images of fake 2009 5 rupee which I got in change
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: abhinumis on October 10, 2011, 05:17:22 PM
here is the other side.. looking at this side of the coin one can easily be fooled but the give away is the funny looking lion emblem on the other side and also there are cast marks on the edges of the coin
cheers  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 11, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
1Re Bose fake

http://www.ebay.in/itm/120786752832?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Title: All the fakes
Post by: Bimat on October 11, 2011, 04:22:19 PM
1Re Bose fake

http://www.ebay.in/itm/120786752832?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

At least the seller has clearly mentioned that 'THIS COIN IS Temple Token/ REPLICA/NOVELTY/ FANTASY COIN; THIS IS NOT A LEGAL TENDER.'

I wonder who will buy it after reading this? ???

Aditya
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on October 12, 2011, 07:45:02 AM
recently I got one Rs.5 wave coin of 2008 that is 200 % fake in comparison to other coins of same series.
Here is image of the coin Rs 5 Connectivity & Information Technology  2008 , very shiny and may be tin composition.

Ashoka Lion emblem is not at all sharp and looks like lump of metal that is another point of abnormality.

Cheers ;D

Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 12, 2011, 04:55:33 PM
Fake 1 Re 1971
(Seller writes its 110% genuine)
http://www.ebay.in/itm/REPUBLIC-INDIA-1971-year-1-rupee-coin-/160662047027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2568344933
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Abhay on October 13, 2011, 01:13:01 PM
I found this Shivaji Coin yesterday, at a coin dealer, sitting on Footpath at Jauhari Bazar, Jaipur.
Although, this is a fake coin, I find it much better than the real coin. Just look at the Deep Strike, the clarity, the design.

I recommend the maker of this coin for the post of Mintmaster of Kolkata Mint. ;D ;D ;D

Abhay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: abhinumis on October 16, 2011, 04:16:07 PM
Hi all'
another fake on ebay.. check it out
http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-Rupees-1869-1948-Copeer-Nickl-Coin-Most-Rare-Very-Very-Rare-/260870686586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3cbd1ac77a
cheers  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: abhinumis on October 16, 2011, 04:16:50 PM
the other side..
Title: All the fakes
Post by: Bimat on October 16, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
Starting bid of INR 9870 and Buy It Now price of INR 9870. ??? Must be a fool.. ;D

BTW I like the description: Most Rare Very Very Rare :D :D :D

Aditya
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: abhinumis on October 16, 2011, 07:39:39 PM
The lions on the emblem looks like 3 happy fox instead of a 3 lions.. ;D
cheers  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 16, 2011, 10:54:01 PM
On this last coin, are the rest of his listings okay or do they have problems also?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: abhinumis on October 17, 2011, 06:51:21 AM
Hi akona,
About this ebay seller, he has some william coins on which he is asking unrealistic rates and has fake kushan copper coins and 1 or 2 mughal fake copper coins for sale.. His sale is 0 and his feedback is 0..
cheers  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: wersea on October 17, 2011, 08:43:31 AM

He is a member from Oct 1, 2011.

may be he knows less about the coins and someone handed him a bunch of coins saying these are very rare since they are old.

another fact is that ebay.in offers first 100 listing free of cost (no listing fee)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 17, 2011, 04:10:05 PM
The middle lion is very angry
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on October 17, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
The lion at the center looks funny. It looks like this smiley ??? 
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on October 17, 2011, 08:50:58 PM
Hey guys, You did not notice probably. This coin is really 'most rare' as it is the piece made of 'copper + nickel'. The coin has additional features like it has an angry lion who has recently lost his kingship with to dogs urinating on him. So, one should pay high premium for this 'most rare' ugly looking coin.

Islam
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 18, 2011, 10:52:59 AM
The following 2 steps in a 5 step plan have been taken.

1. Advise the seller the coin (and others) is a fake.
2. A discussion with Ebay on the problem. Discussion with Ebay customer service agent swapnil log number 26885666.

So we will see in 24 hours time.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 18, 2011, 11:45:50 PM
It appears that the items have been removed. Please advise if they return.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: asm on October 19, 2011, 03:06:32 AM
It appears that the items have been removed. Please advise if they return.

It seems that the item is still there but bidding has ended with 0 bids. Here is what I say this morning.

10 Rupees 1869-1948 Copeer+ Nickl Coin Most Rare Very Very Rare
10 Rupees 1869-1948 Copeer+ Nickl Coin Most Rare Very
Item condition:   Used
Ended   18 Oct, 201111:54:12 IST
Bid history: 0 bids


Amit
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on October 19, 2011, 06:43:10 AM
The item is not removed, instead it ended without bid. Perhaps collectors have become wise. It is not surprise if it surfaces again. I suspect there must be some other person handling this listing.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 19, 2011, 07:01:37 AM
I am advised that all items, not just this one, that the seller had on Ebay have been stopped from accepting bids.

The item may remain due to a process of verification but it can neither be sold nor bid on.

If there is a systematic fraud taking place then it is up to you folks to advise me when the item is listed again for sale and stage 3 of a process will start.

So instead of findiung reasons to query or dispute what is happening let's wait for the next step to be taken should it be necessary.

The seller now has NO items for sale.

Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on October 22, 2011, 01:46:06 AM
Rs 5 regular coin Mumbai mint 2009 - fake  (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,10769.0.html)


Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on October 22, 2011, 01:47:23 AM
A Fake 5 rs IT coin found from circulation  (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,9640.0.html)


Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 27, 2011, 10:22:08 PM
Another fake seller has just bitten the dust. Note the seller was not selling Indian coins. The good news on this seller was that we were not the only people complaining and the reaction by the online auction house was swift and decisive.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on October 28, 2011, 11:40:16 AM
Thanks, akona. May this be interpreted as a sign that eBay is starting to realise that THEY have a problem?

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on October 28, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
I think there are two important things here.
1. Ebay now seems to respect specific opinions from certain people when they are communicated properly.
2. Other people who have remained in the shadows and who have refused to do anything about the problem are now independently complaining to Ebay about things. This is undoubtedly the biggest step in the process.

There are still posters who post that "Ebay will do nothing" but this is incorrect and I actually wonder at their motives for posting such a statement.

The more who who use the complaint system properly (and that is an art in itself) the greater the chance to stop the genuine fraudsters.
Title: All the fakes
Post by: Naveen on October 28, 2011, 03:16:29 PM
Hi All

Let me share my experience for such a similar issue long back with ebay... I wantedly bid on 3 to 4 items(all fake). I won all of them with very huge price.... I didnt make any payment... Seller started emailing me asking when you will transfer monney, I sent him a big email with all stories, he appealed to ebay court, ebay called for the same , I sent them all details with all fake coin news published in many expert blogs, I suggested them not to add any token or fancy items under Coins and Note Section. Ebay court declred as my opnion is correct. Unfortunatly still we see many fake items in coin catogary.... I dont think they can filter each and every listing. I have few friends working in ebay back office Chennai and they are like guys looking for part time jobs mainly, so ebay cannot educate them all about coins(remember they have n number of categories), we r concerned about coins only.

As per my experience, they are banning the account immedialty If the seller violating the ebay policies. My suggestion is, those sellers getting these kind of negative remaks needs to give a warning to list their items under fancy items again they violating probabaly ebay can ban their account.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on October 28, 2011, 11:05:02 PM
Thanks for being active on this, Malvingore. Every seller of fakes banned is another one. When there is a case like that, why not keep your contacts inside eBay informed?

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 29, 2011, 03:04:17 AM
Dear Akona
Thanks for taking up a good cause and fighting with ebay.
I like your phrase 'Genuine Fraudster'   
Title: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: srinath on November 28, 2011, 07:18:09 PM
i wonder if this guy on ebay is selling genuine coins..
http://myworld.ebay.in/rockylee1984/?_trksid=p4340.l2559

 ???
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: africancoins on November 28, 2011, 07:25:01 PM
All 5 pieces offered at present are fake without doubt.

Thanks Mr Paul Baker
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: Coinsforever on November 28, 2011, 11:24:06 PM
i wonder if this guy on ebay is selling genuine coins..

I would name this ebay seller  as "Master of Fakes" - surely running fake mint.


You can check simlar thread dedicated to fake coins only - All the fakes. (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,11925.0.html)
Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on November 28, 2011, 11:26:46 PM
I would name this ebay seller  as "Master of Fakes" - surely running fake mint.

ebay fakes (http://www.ebay.in/sch/rockylee1984/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686)

Cheers  ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on November 28, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
Are we in agreement that these coins are all fakes?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on November 29, 2011, 04:49:46 AM
I dont have this coin but from my experience I can tell 1 rupee 8 anna is a sure fake. 8 on the reverse is not good. Most interesting thing is probably the faker has replaced his grandfather's potrait in place of King George :P. And his grandfather's elephant is not properly trained so moving on the opposite direction.

Islam
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: srinath on November 29, 2011, 05:07:46 AM
is this fake or real?
http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RE-1970-VERY-RARE-BIG-FANTACY-COIN-/180763233254?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a16540be6#ht_623wt_1135
pls confirm


srinath
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: asm on November 29, 2011, 05:51:46 AM
is this fake or real?
http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RE-1970-VERY-RARE-BIG-FANTACY-COIN-/180763233254?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a16540be6#ht_623wt_1135
pls confirm


srinath

This is what the buyer says on the listing:

ONE RUPEE 1970 BIG FANTACY COIN.

THIS IS A NOVELTY AND FANTASY/REPLICA COIN USE FOR POOJA.

 PEOPLE KEEP THIS IN POOJA HOUSE AS ITS CONSIDERED LUCKY AND CONSIDERED TO BRING WEALTH,THIS IS JUST A TEMPLE TOKEN TYPE COIN .  PEOPLE DO WORSHIP THIS COIN AS ITS CONSIDERED SACRED . I THINK MANY BUYERS ALREADY KNOW THIS THING .SO PLEASE BID ONLY IF YOU INTERESTED IN BUYING THIS TEMPLE TOKEN
"IT IS A TEMPLE TOKEN AND NOT A LEGAL TENDER "


It is in RED, Bold letters......... Now if some one takes it to be a genuine coin, ..........

Amit
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: Ansari on November 29, 2011, 07:54:03 AM

You can clearly see on George V 's wardrobe.....the direction in which elephant is moving is wrong.
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: malj1 on November 29, 2011, 07:56:50 AM
He does say...

'THIS COIN IS USED FOR POOJA AND COLLECTION PURPOSE. BIDDERS PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS COIN IS MADE BY SOME TANTRIK SO IT IS SAID IT HAS BLACK MAGIC ON IT. THIS COIN COST GOES IN LAKHS SO THIS IS GOOD FOR COLLECTOR AT GOOD PRICE.'

   ???
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: asm on November 29, 2011, 10:01:58 AM
For the first coin he mentions: 1929 EIGHT ANNA GEORGE V KING EMPEROR VERY RARE INDIA COIN HARD TO FIND @Rs.1 + Silver quantity just one gram in polish.
For the third and fourth coin he mentions:  BIDDERS PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS COIN IS MADE BY SOME TANTRIK SO IT IS SAID IT HAS BALCK MAGIC ON IT.
For the fifth coin he mentions:THIS NOTE IS ONLY USED FOR COLLECTION PURPOSE.

The points he mentions appear to be a ploy to get around the law if some one complains. Most of the above are mentioned somewhere in the middle of a paragraph. For the first coin he calls it 8 Anna coin while it is a 2 Rs, 8 Anna coin. Third & forth he mentions clearly mentions: made by tantriks. The last is called a NOTE for collection purpose.........while the item is a coin.

Amit
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on November 29, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Are we in agreement that these coins are all fakes?

Yes 101% all the 05 coins are fakes.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: asm on November 29, 2011, 01:35:02 PM
Yes 101% all the 05 coins are fakes.

Cheers ;D

They are not coins............ He calls them tokens.......

Amit
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on November 29, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
They are not coins............ He calls them tokens.......

Amit

Individual listing description shows thats seller mentioned all of the 5 items as "coins" only,

http://www.ebay.in/itm/1929-EIGHT-ANNA-GEORGE-V-KING-EMPEROR-VERY-RARE-INDIA-COIN-HARD-FIND-Rs-1-/180762177188?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a1643eea4 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/1929-EIGHT-ANNA-GEORGE-V-KING-EMPEROR-VERY-RARE-INDIA-COIN-HARD-FIND-Rs-1-/180762177188?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a1643eea4)

http://www.ebay.in/itm/1919-EIGHT-ANNA-GEORGE-V-KING-EMPEROR-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-FIND-Rs-1-/180762179554?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a1643f7e2

 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/1919-EIGHT-ANNA-GEORGE-V-KING-EMPEROR-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-FIND-Rs-1-/180762179554?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a1643f7e2)

http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-INDIRA-GANDHI-1917-1984-17-BEADS-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-2FIND-Rs-1-/180762745249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a164c99a1 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-INDIRA-GANDHI-1917-1984-17-BEADS-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-2FIND-Rs-1-/180762745249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a164c99a1)




http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-1986-FISHERIES-FAQ-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-FIND-GRAB-SOON-Rs-1-/180762746910?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a164ca01e (http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-1986-FISHERIES-FAQ-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-FIND-GRAB-SOON-Rs-1-/180762746910?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a164ca01e)


http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-SUBHASH-CHANDRA-BOS-CENTENARY-1997-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-2FIND-Rs-1-/180764457875?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a1666bb93 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-SUBHASH-CHANDRA-BOS-CENTENARY-1997-VERY-RARE-COIN-HARD-2FIND-Rs-1-/180764457875?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a1666bb93)

however due to such  fakes terminology should be replica or tokens.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on November 29, 2011, 01:57:11 PM
Even mentioning as quoted by asm above should be objectionable. First person may buy as token and in circulation it will not go as ‘NOT TOKEN’. Purchasers are bound to be duped. As stated above it will exhibit how the fake coins can be made in your courtyards. Such listing should be treated as fake. 
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Naveen on November 29, 2011, 03:23:40 PM
But why they listing under Republic India coins ?.... that is my question. They should list under fancy items ?.... Am I talking correct..
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Patney on November 30, 2011, 05:03:38 AM
It is only be treated as TOKEN or Fancy Items if they do not have any denomination. A piece of Metal with Denomination can be only issued by the Government and any other issuing it is an offence under Criminal Law.   
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on November 30, 2011, 06:29:03 AM
All the five coins listed on ebay are with "Denomination"  & described as "COINS" , it is evident that some one has produced these fake stuff  copying some details of original coins .

The ebay seller who has listed 5 coins , is knowingly describing these fakes as coins.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on November 30, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
For some reason this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380390155093#ht_2817wt_1185) 8 Reales seems to me as doubtful. I don't know why. Probably the rim is not like the usual ones. Experts please.

Islam
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on November 30, 2011, 05:35:01 PM
Ebay will not any action unless very serious situation arises. Their stand is that they are expected to do policing unless pointed out. At most listing is cancelled. Fresh similar listings appear after some days and even after hours.The purchasers are to be more vigilant, which is not possible is all case.   
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: Girish on November 30, 2011, 07:36:10 PM
Amit ji, there is nobody to stop these type of sellers. Daily somebody with new id sells these types of coins on ebay and make money. Buyer must be aware of all these type of fakes.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on November 30, 2011, 09:53:15 PM
Difficult to judge from a picture. I think the effect of the rim from 11 to 3 o'clock is light only. The "found in a river" story is credible. Rivers tend to have sandy bottoms. As long as the coins are not directly exposed to streaming water and the water is reasonably clean, they are well protected against wear. A top layer of mud that shuts out oxygen is even better.

All in all, without weight and diameter this coin looks genuine to me, until otherwise shown.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: srinath on December 06, 2011, 03:54:30 PM
here is the list of all circulated indian fake coins
http://dimplecoins1.blogspot.com/2011/08/republic-india-fake-coins_26.html
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 06, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
Interesting collcetions
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on December 08, 2011, 07:05:47 PM
Somebody please tell me that this guy did not sell this fake Indira Gandhi 17 beads 1 rupee coin for 2850 bucks  (Approx. 57$) :o

http://www.ebay.in/itm/180756261158

Gawd who bought this coin at such crazy price and most importantly for what? LOL
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: srinath on December 08, 2011, 07:14:02 PM
 :o
someone did won the bid and he has to buy the coin..
may be by now he must be holding the coin..  :-\
poor guy..  :(
must be new to numismatics  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: wersea on December 09, 2011, 05:29:52 AM
:o
someone did won the bid and he has to buy the coin..
may be by now he must be holding the coin..  :-\
poor guy..  :(
must be new to numismatics  :)

Here is the feedback for the transaction from the Buyer  :o

 real product, fast deliver Member id prasadvj03 ( Feedback Score Of 14)  24-Nov-2011 22:33
  ONE RUPEE " INDIRA GANDHI 1917-1984 17 BEADS " VERY RARE COIN HARD 2FIND @Rs.1 (#180756261158)  Rs. 2,850.00

http://feedback.ebay.in/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=rockylee1984&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 09, 2011, 05:41:23 AM
Perhaps it is purchased as trophy!! Otherwise seller’s duplicate.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on December 09, 2011, 03:33:55 PM
Perhaps it is purchased as trophy!! Otherwise seller’s duplicate.


If I go by your logic then seller is at huge loss cause as far my knowledge goes for every item sold on ebay te seller has to pay some percentage of the final cost of the item to ebay. If its a sellers duplicate ID then too he has to pay that amount to ebay as the product is sold. Why would e do that?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 09, 2011, 04:25:20 PM
These are all business tactics. The seller has already sold number of these types of coins and he is in large profits. He does not mind paying 5%of total deal amount to ebay. He need not pay paisa pay of 4.8% and shipping charges. He will show that transaction went smoothly and even exchange excellent feed backs. The outsider will get wrong signals and he will purchase the item even at slightly higher rate.  Who is profited?
Regards
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: srinath on December 09, 2011, 06:31:40 PM
how about this coin?
http://www.ebay.in/itm/2010-Latest-Rupee-Symbol-10-Rs-Bimetal-Trial-Strike-EXT-RARE-/150712181279?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item231725621f#ht_1384wt_903
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on December 09, 2011, 07:21:55 PM
Please judge from the photo. Is it a fake? I think so. If it really is then is it contemporary or modern?

Islam
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on December 09, 2011, 08:41:19 PM
 50 paisa Rhino coin  :o

http://www.ebay.in/itm/50-PAISA-COIN-RHINO-GENDA-BACK-/160697739809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item256a54ea21

Excerpt from the listing:

SINCE THIS COIN IS BLACKMAGICALLY USED IT MAY HAVE A SMALL CRACK AHEAD  THATS HOW BLACK MAGIC COIN IS

GOOD FOR COLLECTION , RARE VALUE

AUNC CONDITION BUT STILL HIGH VALUE MORE THAN 80000RS ATLEAST

ALL QUESTIONS WELCOMED ,


It may have a small crack ahead???? More than 800000 rs???


Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: asm on December 10, 2011, 02:15:46 AM
............ If its a sellers duplicate ID then too he has to pay that amount to ebay as the product is sold. Why would he do that?

It is to lure the gullible to pay higher prices. Some one watching this sale may feel that the coin is worth that much........ next time he lists it, some one may fall for the trap and pay him a good price. I have also seen this happen at auctions. I can say this for sure as I was offered such a deal.

A coin of Kutch as selling at an average price of 6 to 7 thousand in the market. I desperately wanted it but could not afford it. A year later. it was offered at 12 thousand or so. Again I had a budget which was a wee bit short. Six months or so later it was listed in an Auction at around the same price. I decided to go for it. It crossed 15,000 with 5 people interested. I went up to 17,500 when 3 of us were interested. At 20,000 I quit. The two then took it up to 42,500 or was it 44,000 - the price at which it was sold. Add sellers commission and VAT. Price was well over 45,000. A week later I get a call saying that I was interested in such a piece and the seller knew it was sold at the auction at over Rs 45,000 but was prepared to sell it to me, as I was a collector and not a dealer at 24,000. The guy's tone was that he would be obliging me selling it to me at well below, market prices. Well the fact, as I read it, was that he was selling me a coin which was worth Rs 12,000 to 14,000 at Rs 24,000. Even if he had paid the auction house Rs 5000 as costs, he would still make an additional 5000. Not a bad deal........

Amit   
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 10, 2011, 04:34:14 AM
 
50 paisa Rhino coin  :o

http://www.ebay.in/itm/50-PAISA-COIN-RHINO-GENDA-BACK-/160697739809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item256a54ea21

Excerpt from the listing:

SINCE THIS COIN IS BLACKMAGICALLY USED IT MAY HAVE A SMALL CRACK AHEAD  THATS HOW BLACK MAGIC COIN IS

GOOD FOR COLLECTION , RARE VALUE

AUNC CONDITION BUT STILL HIGH VALUE MORE THAN 80000RS ATLEAST

Fake coin.  The seller is seasoned and uses duplicate name with only 4 feedback. Better ignore it. I cannot inform seller as he has cleared, it is token coin and not a legal tender. The purchasers have to take conscious decision.

This is common coin not even scarce and may be available with dealers.

No comments as to temple coin, black magic etc.     


 
[
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 10, 2011, 07:09:18 AM
Please judge from the photo. Is it a fake? I think so. If it really is then is it contemporary or modern?

Islam
 
It is product of modern technology of creating fake coins
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on December 10, 2011, 09:45:12 AM
50 paisa Rhino coin  :o

http://www.ebay.in/itm/50-PAISA-COIN-RHINO-GENDA-BACK-/160697739809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item256a54ea21

Excerpt from the listing:

SINCE THIS COIN IS BLACKMAGICALLY USED IT MAY HAVE A SMALL CRACK AHEAD  THATS HOW BLACK MAGIC COIN IS

GOOD FOR COLLECTION , RARE VALUE

AUNC CONDITION BUT STILL HIGH VALUE MORE THAN 80000RS ATLEAST

Fake coin.  The seller is seasoned and uses duplicate name with only 4 feedback. Better ignore it. I cannot inform seller as he has cleared, it is token coin and not a legal tender. The purchasers have to take conscious decision.

This is common coin not even scarce and may be available with dealers.

No comments as to temple coin, black magic etc.     


 
[


We do have a 25 paisa with Rhino on it but no such 50 paisa coin was ever released. Experts please confirm. :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 10, 2011, 11:26:30 AM
Dear Mackie,
I want to make it clear that I was talking   particularly about that fake coin it self as above.
No Rhino 50 Paise coin ever issued. !992 25 paise rhino and 1992 50 paise depicting Indian map coins are issued. They are common and not scarce.
Regards, 
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: srinath on December 10, 2011, 08:37:34 PM
Hi everyone.. i just stumbled upon a Kadhi and village copper nickle 5 rupee coin on ebay..
never heard about K&V in Copper Nickle.
is this a genuine coin?

http://www.ebay.in/itm/india-2007-5rs-khadi-village-copper-nickel-rare-unc-/250946142579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3a6d8e4173#ht_1045wt_1134
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on December 10, 2011, 08:43:54 PM
Hi everyone.. i just stumbled upon a Kadhi and village copper nickle 5 rupee coin on ebay..
never heard about K&V in Copper Nickle.
is this a genuine coin?

http://www.ebay.in/itm/india-2007-5rs-khadi-village-copper-nickel-rare-unc-/250946142579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3a6d8e4173#ht_1045wt_1134

Whatever little knowledge I have on the basis of that I can say that its a 100% genuine and scarce coin. Also, the seller Siddharth from Mumbai is a reputed and honest seller and don't think will ever sell fakes.  :D I have bought some coins from him and trust me he is a superb dealer.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: asm on December 11, 2011, 02:09:46 AM
Hi everyone.. i just stumbled upon a Kadhi and village copper nickle 5 rupee coin on ebay..
never heard about K&V in Copper Nickle. is this a genuine coin?

KVIC does exist in Cu-Ni and I have a few. There was a long discussion on similar coins issued first in Cu-Ni and then withdrawn and reissued in FSS earlier on WoC. It is a long list

Amit
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on December 11, 2011, 03:57:59 AM
I rely on my memory  to Name a few of Rs.5 coins  in both  Cu-Ni & Steel.

5   Rupees   2004   Lalbahadur Shastri Birth Centenary
5   Rupees   2005   75 Years Of Dandhi March
5   Rupees   2006   Jagath Guru Sree Narayan Gurudev
5   Rupees   2006   Mahatma Basaveshwar
5   Rupees   2006   ONGC 50 Celebrating India
5   Rupees   2006   State Bank Of India
5   Rupees   2007   150 Years The First War Of Independence
5   Rupees   2007   150th Birth Anniversary Of Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak
5   Rupees   2007   150th Birth Anniversary Of Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilakji
5   Rupees   2007   50 Years Khadi And Village Industries Commission

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 11, 2011, 05:26:15 AM
Kindly refer the topic reopened as 'Five Rupees coins not minted in copper-nickel - Copper-Nickel  « 1 2 »' by me today.
Regards,
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: beekar on December 13, 2011, 04:06:10 PM
Another Fake coin (25 paise Cupro-Nickel coin of 1971)

Friends, Please  click . (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2114761997638&set=o.182502841770702&type=1&theater)to see this fake coin.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 13, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
No 25 paise coin was issued in 1971. The seller wants to take advantage of this and doctrined fake coin as stated by Beekarji. The purchasers have to be more vigilant to deal such RARE coins available on net.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: The Oracle on December 13, 2011, 05:19:11 PM
fortunately there were proofs issued in 1971 so no need to buy fakes
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: srinath on December 13, 2011, 07:50:26 PM
now i dont understand if this one is fake or real
http://www.ebay.in/itm/One-Rupee-BIG-Coins-1970-71-72-73-74-Rare-Tested-Coins-/220910820760?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item336f4f9d98#ht_499wt_1159

i found 1970 single coin to be more costly ie around 7999 from another seller.. but this man is selling the whole set for just Rs 4250/- and he also mentions

"ONE RUPEE "BIG" COINS - 1970/71/72/73/74 - RARE - TESTED COINS !

Used For POOJA & COLLECTION !

METAL - Nickel

SIZE - 28 mm

WEIGHT - 10 gm (Each Coin )

MINT - Bombay"

used for pooja and collection?


 
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on December 13, 2011, 10:18:06 PM

May be  this one fake, but I've 1971 -25 Paisa (b) Cupro-Nickel  coin from my school days lying inside Geometry Box  , when I was not aware what is fake & Numismatics.


(http://www.japson.com/product/thumbnails/Geometry-box.jpg)

Refer here (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,9416.0.html) extensive discussion done regarding  coin.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: sdchaugule on December 14, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
What aan09 claims to have found 1971b 25 Paise Coin in his schooldays’ Geometry box is true then it is really great find. The coin appears to be normal but it has to be examined physically. Perhaps it will surprise to all.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on December 22, 2011, 03:38:09 AM
Dear Friends

Presenting the eighth wonder of the world. The rarest coin of Independent India..

Indira Gandhi with beard (dadi) RRRRR

This is a trial / pattern ..one one piece is believed to exist.

From the unissued VVIP set of Kolkata mint.

As soon as the designer /engraver made it, he was extradited to Siberia.   
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: beekar on December 22, 2011, 04:34:47 AM
Dear Friends

Presenting the eighth wonder of the world. The rarest coin of Independent India..

Indira Gandhi with beard (dadi) RRRRR

This is a trial / pattern ..one one piece is believed to exist.

From the unissued VVIP set of Kolkata mint.

As soon as the designer /engraver made it, he was extradited to Siberia.  
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Funny comments!!!
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on December 22, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Dear Friends

Presenting the eighth wonder of the world. The rarest coin of Independent India..

Indira Gandhi with beard (dadi) RRRRR

This is a trial / pattern ..one one piece is believed to exist.

From the unissued VVIP set of Kolkata mint.

As soon as the designer /engraver made it, he was extradited to Siberia.   
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


Woopsie OMG that's not Indira Gandhi that's Curtly Ambrose...  >:D
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: Patney on January 11, 2012, 04:17:21 PM
All these coin are forgered coin, it is a Criminal Offence under Indian Law to manufacture and sell fake coin, Please note that these are not Pooja Coins.
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: akona20 on January 11, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
Is he still selling?
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: anand on January 11, 2012, 11:19:49 PM
Is he still selling?

Yeah this is still. sometime ago i reported this guy to ebay that he is selling fakes. they say they find nothing to verify my claim. I also mailed the that you are selling fakes and stop doing that. no response.

I think its best we educate everyone about such fakes and avoid these.
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: akona20 on January 11, 2012, 11:25:25 PM
Please advise the fakes he is currently selling and a full link to his site, by PM if necessary. Let's see if Ebay comes back this time with "nothing to verify the claim."
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: malj1 on January 12, 2012, 01:40:05 AM
He  intimates that they are all copies - if you read between the lines. On this banknote he does say its a replica.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/RUPEES-TWO-ANNA-EIGHT-GEORGE-V-KING-RARE-NOTE-Rs-1-DIFFRENT-Serial-No-/180792884868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a18187e84 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/RUPEES-TWO-ANNA-EIGHT-GEORGE-V-KING-RARE-NOTE-Rs-1-DIFFRENT-Serial-No-/180792884868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a18187e84)

Quote
RUPEES TWO ANNA EIGHT GEORGE V KING RARE REPLICA NOTE @Rs.1 

VERY HARD TO FIND SUCH A RARE NOTE. THIS NOTE IS ONLY USED FOR COLLECTION PURPOSE. ORIGINAL NOTE COST GOES IN LAKHS SO THIS IS GOOD FOR COLLECTOR AT GOOD PRICE. Attractive and Very Rare to find such note now at ebay at very low price
.

See other items  ::)
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: anand on January 12, 2012, 01:42:00 AM
He  intimates that they are all copies - if you read between the lines. On this banknote he does say its a replica.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/RUPEES-TWO-ANNA-EIGHT-GEORGE-V-KING-RARE-NOTE-Rs-1-DIFFRENT-Serial-No-/180792884868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a18187e84 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/RUPEES-TWO-ANNA-EIGHT-GEORGE-V-KING-RARE-NOTE-Rs-1-DIFFRENT-Serial-No-/180792884868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a18187e84)
.

well he seems to have wised up here. a couple of months ago i remember the guy claiming these were authentic and extra rare pieces.

Anand
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: kansal888 on January 12, 2012, 02:36:11 AM
Dear Akona

I sent the following email to ebay:

A seller rockylee1984 is selling a counterfeit 2Rs coin of Dr BR Ambedkar (Item # 180789690494).

Please note that selling fake and counterfeit currency is an offense punishable by law. Ebay is requested to remove the listing IMMEDIATELY. If Ebay does not remove the counterfeit currency within 24 hours, Ebay will be solely responsible for the consequences. After this notice, if Ebay fail to remove the item, it will be presumed that Ebay is willingly promoting the trade of counterfeit currency. You may contact me on 989920xxxx for further details.

Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: The Oracle on January 12, 2012, 05:37:43 AM
Dear Akona

I sent the following email to ebay:

A seller rockylee1984 is selling a counterfeit 2Rs coin of Dr BR Ambedkar (Item # 180789690494).

Please note that selling fake and counterfeit currency is an offense punishable by law. Ebay is requested to remove the listing IMMEDIATELY. If Ebay does not remove the counterfeit currency within 24 hours, Ebay will be solely responsible for the consequences. After this notice, if Ebay fail to remove the item, it will be presumed that Ebay is willingly promoting the trade of counterfeit currency. You may contact me on 989920xxxx for further details.



ebay is a nonsense site and you need a legal eagle to fix them.  i am sure akona will fix it. 
Title: Re: Are these genuine coins?
Post by: malj1 on January 12, 2012, 06:41:56 AM
See his Feedback - from one happy customer...  Lovely fake coin (NB: Seller declared it honestly).
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on January 21, 2012, 01:45:39 PM
FIRST VICTORY AGAINST COUNTERFEITS


I sent several emails to ebayindia against the seller rockylee1984 who was selling counterfeit coins (180792812540, 180794734951,  180792885461, 180794116557, 180789961320).

They responded by writing that they dont have enough evidence against the seller.

After lots & lots of efforts and a long fight; ebayindia has finally agreed to cancel the registration of seller who was selling the counterfeit coins
Please see the ebay link:
http://myworld.ebay.in/rockylee1984/

Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on January 21, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
Wonderful work my friend, keep it up.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: The Oracle on January 21, 2012, 02:17:49 PM
FIRST VICTORY AGAINST COUNTERFEITS


I sent several emails to ebayindia against the seller rockylee1984 who was selling counterfeit coins (180792812540, 180794734951,  180792885461, 180794116557, 180789961320).

They responded by writing that they dont have enough evidence against the seller.

After lots & lots of efforts and a long fight; ebayindia has finally agreed to cancel the registration of seller who was selling the counterfeit coins
Please see the ebay link:
http://myworld.ebay.in/rockylee1984/



please do something against the thief who has stolen your image also.  thanks
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: rrjadhav76 on January 21, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
FIRST VICTORY AGAINST COUNTERFEITS


I sent several emails to ebayindia against the seller rockylee1984 who was selling counterfeit coins (180792812540, 180794734951,  180792885461, 180794116557, 180789961320).

They responded by writing that they dont have enough evidence against the seller.

After lots & lots of efforts and a long fight; ebayindia has finally agreed to cancel the registration of seller who was selling the counterfeit coins
Please see the ebay link:
http://myworld.ebay.in/rockylee1984/



Kansalji, great work indeed., Thanks a lot! He may return with new registration but at least this must have been setback to him and good warning to eBay.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on January 21, 2012, 03:34:19 PM
100% positive feedback and over 4 stars ::)

Congratulations! Every victory that makes the life of fraudulent sellers less easy is very worthwhile. I am sorry you had to go through so much trouble for such an obvious fraud. Maybe eBay India will take you more seriously next time. Thank you from all of us.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on January 21, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
100% positive feedback and over 4 stars ::)

Congratulations! Every victory that makes the life of fraudulent sellers less easy is very worthwhile. I am sorry you had to go through so much trouble for such an obvious fraud. Maybe eBay India will take you more seriously next time. Thank you from all of us.

Peter

Congratulations! Yes a major victory  :)

   - but -

we shall have to be alert to find his new identity which will most surely happen in a few days or weeks!  ::)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on April 19, 2012, 02:59:51 AM
Dear Friends

Few months back I lodged complaints with ebay against a seller selling fake coins. After lots of efforts; ebay finally closed the account of the seller.

Yesterday, I saw few more fakes being sold on ebay India.
http://www.ebay.in/sch/infinitedeals2012/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=50&_trksid=p3692

I lodged another complaint with ebay. Lets wait and watch. I am not sure if ebay will respond or not.

Regards
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on April 19, 2012, 03:27:34 AM
I see he has been dealing for all of three weeks  :o

So, if you close one down, who knows where he will bob up next?  ???
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: The Oracle on April 19, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
Dear Friends

Few months back I lodged complaints with ebay against a seller selling fake coins. After lots of efforts; ebay finally closed the account of the seller.

Yesterday, I saw few more fakes being sold on ebay India.
http://www.ebay.in/sch/infinitedeals2012/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=50&_trksid=p3692

I lodged another complaint with ebay. Lets wait and watch. I am not sure if ebay will respond or not.

Regards
Sanjay Kansal

sigh.  the good name of the silver medal manufacturer is being sullied decades after the fabrication.    India is probably the only country where these coins were made with no intention to deceive.  truly a magnificent piece. 
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: @josephjk on April 19, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
This guy even had the image of a proof coin when he first listed, I guess delcampe made him change it or he realized he would get no buyers with "coin similar to image" phrasing

http://coins.delcampe.net/page/item/id,166376941,var,india-1919-8-annas-very-rare-clean-see-2-scans,language,E.html
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: repindia on April 19, 2012, 10:35:53 PM
Another fake coin listed on eBay. This one is the 1955 2 annas -- malnoutrished lions variety.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-2-Annas-Government-India-Rarest-Coin-V-V-Extra-Fine-Condition-/120897334021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item1c260aeb05#ht_500wt_1416 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-2-Annas-Government-India-Rarest-Coin-V-V-Extra-Fine-Condition-/120897334021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item1c260aeb05#ht_500wt_1416)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: repindia on April 19, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
Adding image before eBay takes it down.

All the other "coins" listed by the seller are fake including a couple of brockages. All these have modest bids and hope these are not genuine bidders and just shills.  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on April 19, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Please follow Kansal's example and complain to eBay. Even if your individual complaint does not help, the statistics may make an impression some day.

Of course, this is not about the maker, but about the unscrupulous seller. Anyone can make a mistake, but if you make the same error habitually, something is wrong. People are not THAT stupid.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on April 19, 2012, 11:30:26 PM
Just a short note. It is great that people are trying. I stopped fighting Ebay for a number of reasons. One was that they are purely cash driven and don't really care about the end customer. Their only fear is getting caught selling fake designer fashion type material or pirated movies etc where large coporations can sue them.

The absolute mockery they make of the justice system when called to account in America shows that corporate size, corrupt lawyers and either totally stupid judges (or perhaps worse) or paid off lawyers for the complaining side will defeat any case any day no matter how good the case is.

If you want to buy from Ebay then its your problem.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Abhay on April 21, 2012, 08:16:59 AM
Another fake coin listed on eBay. This one is the 1955 2 annas -- malnoutrished lions variety.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-2-Annas-Government-India-Rarest-Coin-V-V-Extra-Fine-Condition-/120897334021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item1c260aeb05#ht_500wt_1416 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-2-Annas-Government-India-Rarest-Coin-V-V-Extra-Fine-Condition-/120897334021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item1c260aeb05#ht_500wt_1416)

The coin finally sold for Rs. 21300.00 :o :o :o
I wonder who the buyer was. Must have loads of cash stacked with him. ::) ::) ::)

Abhay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on April 21, 2012, 08:25:27 AM
Out of spite I sent the seller a message. Hopefully it will get me banned from Ebay.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on April 26, 2012, 03:36:21 AM
Dear Akona

I am glad to share the good news. I received a message from ebay that they have taken action against the seller. Ebay has removed all of his coin listing.

http://www.ebay.in/sch/infinitedeals2012/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686http://

The seller was also selling Rayban sunglasses. I dont have expertise to judge if they are also fakess.

This is my second victory against the fakes.

I request you to please dont lose heart. I noticed that you have started writing (Old Man). You are a fighter. You can never be old

Regards
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on April 26, 2012, 07:11:00 AM
Congratulations and thanks, Sanjay. You did a decent thing by making the effort and I am glad it worked.

Of course you could argue that the seller will soon be back under another name, but that is only the static part of the story. The dynamic part is that the more likely it gets that fraudsters are found out and have some kind of punishment (if only having to start from scratch at eBay), the higher their cost of doing business is. That means that either their prices must go up to cover that risk or their income goes down, so they are more likely to give it up. By hitting one dealer, you are having an indirect influence on all fraudsters.

I know this sounds theoretical, but there is scientific evidence that it works this way, from a study into corporate fraud done in the US. The correlation between incidence of fraud and chances of getting caught was shown and a model showed the likelihood that it was not a nonsense correlation.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on April 26, 2012, 09:28:32 AM
Great job, Mr. Kansal. I am happy that someone is taking extra efforts and thinking beyond personal gain.  :)

Good job!!
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 19, 2012, 03:48:03 AM
Dear Akona

I noticed two more fake listings on ebay:

1969 Gandhi 10 Rs  (http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEES-GANDHI-MAHATMA-1869-1948-BIG-COIN-VERY-RARE-/270980590287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f17b3aacf#ht_2201wt_1139)


1970 FAO 10 Rs (http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEES-FAO-FOOD-ALL-1970-BIG-COIN-VERY-RARE-/270980584312?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f17b39378#ht_2143wt_1139)

I informed ebay India. Lets see if they take any action or not. Based on my past record, I am hopeful that they will take some action.

Regards
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on May 19, 2012, 04:07:53 AM
We should perhaps mention that if we click 'See other items' (http://www.ebay.in/sch/skyizdlimit/m.html?hash=item3f17b3c227&item=270980596263&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562) there are four each of these two 'rare' coins.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on May 19, 2012, 06:03:47 AM
Wow this dude is so fearless that he has mentioned his contact number and email ID in the listing.

It clearly shows that anybody can sell anything on ebay without any screening or background check. Pathetic!! One of my college mates is working with ebay, I guess it would be a wise idea to get it touch with him.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on May 19, 2012, 08:19:00 AM
Ebay, experts are lying at all levels from the supreme being downwards. And of course proving that justice can be bought by size.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 19, 2012, 10:17:03 AM
Dear Arthur

I persuaded ebay to remove both the listings of fake coins.  :D  :D  :D  :D

Fake 1969 on ebay (http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEES-GANDHI-MAHATMA-1869-1948-BIG-COIN-VERY-RARE-/270980590287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f17b3aacf#ht_2201wt_1139)

Fake 1970 on ebay (http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEES-FAO-FOOD-ALL-1970-BIG-COIN-VERY-RARE-/270980584312?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f17b39378#ht_2143wt_1139)

They took the action very quickly. This is my third straight hit in last few months. (100% success record) Lets celebrate.. ;D  ;D ;D

Cheers
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on May 19, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
My dear Sanjay,

This is superb work. Congratulations. Yes celebrations are due.!!!!!

Regards and thanks,

Arthur
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on May 19, 2012, 10:27:58 AM
Dear Arthur

I persuaded ebay to remove both the listings of fake coins.  :D  :D  :D  :D

Fake 1969 on ebay (http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEES-GANDHI-MAHATMA-1869-1948-BIG-COIN-VERY-RARE-/270980590287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f17b3aacf#ht_2201wt_1139)

Fake 1970 on ebay (http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEES-FAO-FOOD-ALL-1970-BIG-COIN-VERY-RARE-/270980584312?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f17b39378#ht_2143wt_1139)

They took the action very quickly. This is my third straight hit in last few months. (100% success record) Lets celebrate.. ;D  ;D ;D

Cheers
Sanjay Kansal


Absolutely fantastic, Mr. Kansal. Commendable job.  :D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on May 19, 2012, 11:00:03 AM
You have been conned - see the link I posted at Reply#134 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,11925.msg104773.html#msg104773)   'See other items' (http://www.ebay.in/sch/skyizdlimit/m.html?hash=item3f17b3c227&item=270980596263&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562) there are still three of each listed.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on May 19, 2012, 11:19:11 AM
Not exactly. These processes are worked by degrees. Stage 1 is now complete which enables the other stages to move. It now becomes a test of EBay's corporate heart (lol) but step by step.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on May 19, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Check this out guys, it seems our old friend is back in action.  ;D

http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-INDIRA-GANDHI-OM-RUDRAYA-NAMAH-17-BEADS-RARE-FANTASY-COIN-Rs-1-/290714686318?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item43aff2136e
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 19, 2012, 01:07:09 PM
You have been conned - see the link I posted at... there are still three of each listed.

Dear Malcom
I reported only two coins to ebay. I did not notice the remaining six. So it was my fault. ;D ;D ;D
Now I will take up those six also. I am also taking up crooked nose Indira Gandhi coin. Lets wait and watch
Regards
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 19, 2012, 01:13:20 PM
BINGO all six are gone...
See the link (http://www.ebay.in/sch/skyizdlimit/m.html?hash=item3f17b3c227&item=270980596263&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562)
I am now waiting for Indira Gandhi to go...
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on May 19, 2012, 01:13:44 PM
Thank you, Sanjay. We all profit from your actions.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on May 19, 2012, 01:43:27 PM
Wonderful work. It is and must be taken step by step. The work can be mind numbing because of the general lack of action by Ebay but we have someone here in Sanjay who is now prepared to take those steps and win. Each one saves someone money and saves our hobby/interest.

In the thread I posted the other day I think Ebay finaly gave the big hint and that is if the industry is prepared to do something then maybe, just maybe, Ebay might look at doing something. We of course have seen recently how the industry loves to go to the media to score points off someone else in the industry when the correct thing would have been done without the media. Pity the same media attention and industry people aren't used against Ebay who harbour the fakers for mutual profit pluse the added profit from PayPal.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on May 19, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
Thank you, Sanjay. Re indira link...

Quote
THIS COIN IS USED FOR POOJA & COLLECTION  PURPOSE.

So what does POOJA mean precisely?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: asm on May 19, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
Pooja / Puja means Worship.

Amit
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 19, 2012, 04:07:56 PM
Dear Malji1

Pooja / Puja means worship. This Indira Gandhi coins is used by some superstitious persons. Please notice that Indira Gandhi is wearing a garland of Rudraksha Beads. Rudraksha is considered auspicious.
Wikipedia on Rudraksha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudraksha)

It is associated with Lord Shiva.  Lord Shiva is considered as The Destroyer.
Lord Shiva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva)

Rudra = Shiva and  Aksha = Eyes

A Rosary is made of Rudraksha seeds for prayers. Name of Lord Shiva is chanted with each bead of Rudraksha. In the coin, Indira Gandhi is wearing the Rudraksha garland, so it is considered lucky.
Regards
Sanjay Kansal

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Lord_Shiva.jpg/320px-Lord_Shiva.jpg)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 19, 2012, 04:25:34 PM
Pls see that Lord Shiva is wearing similar garland (as in coin). The river Ganges is originating from Shiva's Head. As per Hinduism, Lord Shiva carries a snake and a trident. He rides Nandi bull. He holds moon on his head. He wears a leotard of tiger skin. Elephant headed Lord Ganesha is his son.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/2437265187_4679672486.jpg)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 22, 2012, 02:34:08 AM
Dear Malcolm, Arthur & Peter

Ebay did not remove the Indira Gandhi coin from the auction. They informed that the coin was not removed because the Seller has declared upfront that 'The coin is not a legal tender' but used for puja.

This appears to be entirely reasonable.  :D  :D  :D

If you notice any more fake Republic India coins on ebay, please inform me.

Regards
Sanjay Kansal
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on May 22, 2012, 03:03:53 AM
Firstly let me congratulate you on your great successes.

Now let's turn to puja "coins". Ebay has a new policy that bans replicas being sold so does puja really fit into the new catagory of replica or should, in the case of india, it be considered as something else?
In my opinion if it looks like a real coin then it is a replica and should be banned under the Ebay policy.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on May 22, 2012, 06:59:32 AM
You didnt update me Kansalji (though I had posted that fake Indira coin link) but still appreciate your efforts.  :)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 23, 2012, 02:42:13 AM
I am also taking up crooked nose Indira Gandhi coin. Lets wait and watch

Dear Mackie

Pls see one of my earlier replies in which I informed the forum that I am raking up the issue of Indira Gandhi coin. I should also have informed you personally.  :-[  :-[ :-[  :-[

My sincere apologies.

Please continue to highlight any fake Republic India coins on ebay...

Regards
Sanjay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 23, 2012, 03:08:12 AM
Dear Malcolm, Arthur & Peter
Ebay did not remove the Indira Gandhi coin from the auction. They informed that the coin was not removed because the Seller has declared upfront that 'The coin is not a legal tender' but used for puja.

In my opinion if it looks like a real coin then it is a replica and should be banned under the Ebay policy.

Dear Arthur

After reading your post, I took up Indira Gandhi fake coin with ebay once again. Now I am happy to inform you that the Indira Gandhi coin has been removed.

Pls see the link (http://www.ebay.in/itm/ONE-RUPEE-INDIRA-GANDHI-OM-RUDRAYA-NAMAH-17-BEADS-RARE-FANTASY-COIN-Rs-1-/290714686318?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item43aff2136e)

:D  :D  :D :D  :D :D
Regards
Sanjay
 
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: akona20 on May 23, 2012, 03:19:24 AM
Wow, how good is that! Your are doing something very special.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on May 23, 2012, 04:18:59 AM
Great stuff!

I see the link to the Indira Gandhi coin is now dead - there were three coins listed in his other items, unfortunately the link to these is also lost, lets hope they removed these too.

Firstly let me congratulate you on your great successes.
Now let's turn to puja "coins". Ebay has a new policy that bans replicas being sold so does puja really fit into the new catagory of replica or should, in the case of india, it be considered as something else?
In my opinion if it looks like a real coin then it is a replica and should be banned under the Ebay policy.


Of course there is still a huge number of replicas in other fields such as WW2 ration books and Identity cards for instance, I have two of each that were gifts at some time and I have seen the same offered for sale by a large numismatic auction site in Australia. It was of course removed immediately when I pointed it out to them.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on May 23, 2012, 06:05:51 AM
One seller is selling fake 1970 ten Rupee Silver Food for All (FAO Lotus & Sun) coins.

http://www.ebay.in/sch/Indian-Coins-/45136/i.html?_catref=1&_fln=1&_ssn=deals_143u&_trksid=p3911.c0.m282

I informed ebay. Lets hope they remove these three items also

Regards
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on May 23, 2012, 06:38:23 AM
Dear Mackie

Pls see one of my earlier replies in which I informed the forum that I am raking up the issue of Indira Gandhi coin. I should also have informed you personally.  :-[  :-[ :-[  :-[

My sincere apologies.

Please continue to highlight any fake Republic India coins on ebay...

Regards
Sanjay

Kansalji,

I was just kidding. :p As long as the fake coins are removed from ebay it doesn't matter who informed whom and of course you don't have to inform anyone, its our responsibility to keep ourselves informed and appreciate the work you are doing. Cheers!!
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Vivek on June 18, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Euro-Pattern-Proof-Coin-2-Euro-Very-Rare-coin-/221047854424?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item33777a9558
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Extremely-Rare-Euro-Pattern-Proof-Coin-2-Euro-Very-Rare-coin-/320925690668?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4ab8a96b2c

EURO pattern coins?? ??? ???

Can an one confirm below coin is genuine coin?
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Rare-US-president-series-1-Dollar-coin13th-US-president-Millard-Fillmore-/320923806736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4ab88cac10

Vivek
Title: All the fakes
Post by: Bimat on June 18, 2012, 11:01:27 AM
The American coin is genuine (however not rare, you can get it for less than $2), those pattern euro coins are fake. Privately produced, misleading advertisement.

Aditya
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Vivek on June 18, 2012, 11:31:52 AM
Thanks Aditya for confirming...I was sure about EURO coins but was not abt American coin..since the seller was same :-\
Vivek
Title: All the fakes
Post by: Bimat on June 18, 2012, 11:35:11 AM
I don't think anyone will ever take the risk of forging the presidential $1 coins...Since nobody uses them, the forger will lose lot of money in the business. ;D

Aditya
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on June 21, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
One more fake coin. This time its 10 rupee Indira Gandhi Rudraksh coin.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/10-RUPEE-INDIRA-GANDHI-OM-RUDRAYA-NAMAH-17-BEADS-RARE-COIN-/280905191140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4167410ee4
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Mackie on June 22, 2012, 06:31:13 PM
Fake 5 rupee Indira Gandhi rudraksh coin:

http://www.ebay.in/itm/FIVE-RUPEE-INDIRA-GANDHI-OM-RUDRAYA-NAMAH17-BEADS-RARE-COIN-HARD-2FIND-Rs-1-/290732218394?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item43b0fd981a
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on November 26, 2012, 06:51:15 AM
Today's news at H.T - New Delhi




Cheers ;D
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: dheer on November 26, 2012, 07:21:00 AM
This decade there has been quite a bit of interest in fake coins for circulation ... i think the motivation is that is easy to produce and circulate ... less chances of getting caught ... this looks the first time a fake coin with Rupee design is caught ... anyone has images for reference
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on November 26, 2012, 07:42:07 AM
The Anglo Saxon Chronicle AD.1125 tells us the penalty for counterfeiting 'they were deprived each of them of the right hand, et testiculis infra'.

Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: aarkay on November 26, 2012, 08:19:21 AM
Hi…

@kansal888 …..Sanjay a good effort to educate the unsuspecting collectors….the main reason for the fakes flourishing is that the collector after buying the coins does not either show or discuss the possession with other collectors due to the fear that they may negatively comment on it……the collector secretly keeps it till his demise without knowing it is a fake he has got…I have known a case from South India (a lady with enough disposable income) from a  coin seller who used to sell high priced  fake ancient coins obtained from Bombay to this lady (he confessed to me when he was alive )…..his philosophy being that if the buyer is happy why should he educate  them and be a spoil sport….

A question is that are the fake coins meant only for collectors or are they meant for circulation also….

Finally, the listing of the item has been removed from eBay after your thread  ;D…

Aarkay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Coinsforever on December 11, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
Two held trying to sell 1000 fake gold coins
TNN Dec 3, 2012, 12.25AM IST


Tags:
Gold|bhopal
BHOPAL: Two persons, who tried to con a man by selling fake gold coins worth Rs 20 lakh were arrested near Mubarakpur tri-section on the outskirts of Bhopal here on Saturday. Over 1,000 fake gold coins were recovered from their possession.

Police said the accused, Qasim and Sattar conned one Sunil Sharma into purchasing fake gold coins and struck a deal of Rs 20 lakhs. After agreeing to the deal initially, Sharma became suspicious of the two and informed the police. The cops subsequently, laid a trap and arrested the duo with fake gold coins.

Source : TOI (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-12-03/bhopal/35570198_1_gold-coins-inter-state-gang-police-team)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 12:06:19 PM
Fake Yen, picked up in a job lot.

20.11g
38mm ish
Almost coin aligned
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on January 29, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
Why fake?

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 01:08:19 PM
Apparently it should weigh just under 27g.
And just checked, my magnet sticks to it.  8)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
Fake 50 Cents Yun-Nan-Province, China
3 Mace and 6 Candareens

Attracted to fridge magnet ;D
10.86g
33mm
medal aligned
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 01:47:32 PM
Fake One Tael Szechuen Province, China

Attracted to fridge magnet ;D
26.48g
45mm
medal aligned
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 03:06:53 PM
Fake 50 Cents Yun-Nan-Province, China
I think Krause 479 Gen. T'ang Chi-yao

Attracted to fridge magnet
11.12g
33mm
medal aligned
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 03:20:23 PM
Fake $1 Cheh-Kiang Province, China
7 Mace and 2 Candareens
1897 I think. Krause 56.  It's very rare!

Attracted to fridge magnet
19.95g (should be 27.5g)
38mm
medal aligned
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
Fake 50 Cents Yunnan Province, China
I think Krause 257 or thereabouts

Attracted to fridge magnet
11.08g (should be 13.2g)
33mm
medal aligned
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on January 29, 2013, 04:12:38 PM
Do all have a high relief reeded edge?

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: redwine on January 29, 2013, 05:21:10 PM
All have reeded edges generally worn.
The $1 Cheh-Kiang Province piece's edge looks like a tyre that's badly worn on the outer parts with some tread in the middle.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on January 29, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
The 33 mm reeded edge fakes are certainly Chinese. Maybe the others also. It sounds like the 38 mm fake was struck in a collar that was just a bit too wide.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on October 15, 2013, 01:17:36 AM
Delhi Police arrested 2 persons for making fake Rs 5 coins.

They set up a stamping machine in Sonipat to make counterfeit Rs 5 coins.

They purchased mild steel sheets for Rs 50/kg and made 50-60 coins from it. Thus the cost of material was Re 0.9 /coin.

In addition, they paid Re 0.30 per coin for labour and machinery.

Their cost of production was Rs 1.2 per coin and they used to supply 5000 coins @ Rs 15000.
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: repindia on October 16, 2013, 05:13:16 AM
Delhi Police arrested 2 persons for making fake Rs 5 coins.

They set up a stamping machine in Sonipat to make counterfeit Rs 5 coins.

They purchased mild steel sheets for Rs 50/kg and made 50-60 coins from it. Thus the cost of material was Re 0.9 /coin.

In addition, they paid Re 0.30 per coin for labour and machinery.

Their cost of production was Rs 1.2 per coin and they used to supply 5000 coins @ Rs 15000.

What is the punishment for this crime today? In the medieval it was capital punishment. I also wonder what the punishment was in the mid 18th and mid 19th century in India. When did it cease to be a capital crime?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on June 14, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
1977 Save for Development Fake coin
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on June 14, 2014, 08:26:54 PM
Interesting. Why is it a fake?

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on June 15, 2014, 08:06:51 AM
Peter this is a crude casting lacking the grace of original coin
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on June 15, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Thank you. Surprising. Lines are all sharp and the only sign of what may be trapped air is between the E nad V of DEVELOPMENT. Did you do a "ping" test? Is the weight correct? Is this a scarce coin? Why fake it? I see some signs of double striking or "reverberation", but that may be the lighting.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Abhay on June 15, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Peter, this coin is not a general circulating coin. It was minted only for Proof and UNC Sets. See my this post (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,6160.0.html) and this post (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,25392.0.html) for two more such fake 100 rupee coins. It seems that there are some people making such forged coins, to sell them to the unknowing collectors.

Abhay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: mitresh on June 15, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
Abhay, the picture of the fake Rs 100 as per your first link is no longer visible, can you re-attach?
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: malj1 on June 15, 2014, 03:20:37 PM
Abhay, the picture of the fake Rs 100 as per your first link is no longer visible, can you re-attach?

It is visible to me.   8)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Abhay on June 15, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Yes, even I can see all the images.

Abhay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on June 15, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
Peter, I am uploading the pics of original coin. You can clearly see the difference

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yJ5Cx7sKq2s/U52oK1EfmcI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/qH727Oe4sFA/s512/1977-10Rs-Original-a.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tyCHiOa7-H0/U52oK7cWoxI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/YrNhWh3RKow/s512/1977-10Rs-Original-b.JPG)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: aarkay on June 15, 2014, 04:13:42 PM
Hi...

If you are in Mumbai or if you visit this city please make it a point of visit Chor Bazaar located near Bhendi Bazaar in South Mumbai, for a real experience in seeing fakes,where everything under the Sun is available(may be fakes)and if you have an eye for genuine stuff you can out wit the seller....bargaining is a fascinating experience...

see link for more..
http://www.tripadvisor.in/Attraction_Review-g304554-d324931-Reviews-Chor_Bazaar-Mumbai_Bombay_Maharashtra.html

Have a pleasant trip...

Aarkay
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on June 15, 2014, 04:49:37 PM
Peter,

For your benefit, I am uploading a comparison of both coins. You can easily the difference between the fake coin and original coin.

Thanks
Sanjay

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jThsBySb998/U52x6d25ZYI/AAAAAAAAAaI/C1Ew3bQA9uE/s512/1977-10Rs-Fake-Original.jpg)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on June 15, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
Ahhh! That helps quite a lot. I don't think this is a cast forgery, so the fake would pass the "ping" test. I have seen this effect on outlines (the ear of wheat is typical) before. The explanation I have heard is that there is a computer-guided (probably European, I have not seen such copies of US coins yet) machine that can make pretty good 3 dimensional copies. The salesmen use copying a (usually common) coin as a demo and present the copy to the prospect, without bothering to invalidate it. It may be a fluff story, but it does fit with the known facts. The only copy of this kind I have handled did not have the right weight.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: dheer on June 15, 2014, 07:00:29 PM
A machine that can make pretty good 3 dimensional copies. The salesmen use copying a (usually common) coin as a demo and present the copy to the prospect, without bothering to invalidate it.

Are you talking of 3-D additive printing? It can take an object [coin or anything] or special types of images and create a copy. However this is very accurate upto mm and widely used to make prototypes and other production automotive parts. As of now its expensive and its used to forge high end coins ... ie make the master die and strike coins of right metal composition ... The one Kansalji has posted does look like a machine copy, its a crude copy
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on June 15, 2014, 07:17:30 PM
No, this is an earlier technology and I know of individual coins only. No dies, no long series. I have no more details and I stress that it's hearsay only, but these fakes were around already in the nineties.

Peter
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on June 16, 2014, 06:30:58 AM
With the advancement of CAD/CAM technology, it is possible to have a 3D scan of an item using laser. It is reportedly accurate upto hundredth parts of a mm. Once a 3D scan is created, it is possible to accurately reproduce it.

I have heard whispers that Chinese are using this 3D laser scanning technology to create very high quality fakes of some costly coins.

All this is very frightening.

Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: kansal888 on June 17, 2014, 10:40:52 AM
Some more fakes
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: moneditis on July 11, 2014, 01:26:09 PM
8 reales counterfeits bulk sales  :o

http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=8+reales+coin&catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20140708104155 (http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=8+reales+coin&catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20140708104155)
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: capnbirdseye on July 11, 2014, 03:50:50 PM
8 reales counterfeits bulk sales  :o

http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=8+reales+coin&catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20140708104155 (http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=8+reales+coin&catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20140708104155)

I don't think that is technically a counterfeit, the page openly tells you it's a cast copy & actually mentions the word China, replica, casting technique etc.
    Metal

Model Number:
    without

Regional Feature:
    China

is_customized:
    Yes

Technique:
    Casting

Type:
    Brass

Use:
    Art & Collectible

Theme:
    Other

silver metal:
    silver metal

replica coins:
    Spain coins
Title: Re: All the fakes
Post by: Figleaf on July 11, 2014, 06:11:44 PM
Most are in the wrong metal, so they would be easy to recognise. However, I don't like the silver (not plated) copy of the Ferdinand VII peso. Too good and not marked copy. No wonder it commands a much higher price. It's pretty obvious what the buyer has in mind.

Peter