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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Mughal central government => Topic started by: asm on July 04, 2011, 07:54:42 AM

Title: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: asm on July 04, 2011, 07:54:42 AM
I do remember that this was discussed in some thread earlier but I could not find it this morning.

A Rupee of Surat with the RY written as 1 instead of Ahd. As I saw on Zeno, this was observed on nly two or three mints.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/asm2110/ShahJahanSuratwithRY1.jpg)

Amit
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: asm on July 05, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
Here is a coin AH 1038 RY Ahd. An almost complete coin with the circle of dots visible on all sides.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l628/asm2110/ShahJahanSuratAH1038RYAhd.jpg)

Amit
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: akona20 on July 05, 2011, 09:56:17 AM
That is a wonderful coin. Remember that one when I get around to that ruler.
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Rangnath on July 06, 2011, 01:08:34 AM
What a great coin Amit!
richie
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on July 06, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
But I can read a retrograded 1120. Am I wrong?

Islam
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: akona20 on July 06, 2011, 10:53:05 AM
On the top coin right image lower left you can see 037.

On the second coin right image lower right you can see 1037.

I am unable to see what you suggest.
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on July 06, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
On the top coin right image lower left you can see 037.

On the second coin right image lower right you can see 1037.

I am unable to see what you suggest.

Thanks I did not notice the right image as I am using mobile set.

But the right image of upper coin has 037 while the second coin right image has 1038. Repeat 1038.

Again the left image of the upper coin has some numbers at 7 0'clock.

Islam
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: akona20 on July 06, 2011, 11:49:03 AM
Sorry yes it is 8 (7 and 8 and my fingers on the keyboard don't mix).

Can't see the other numbers as of yet.
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Figleaf on July 06, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
I think this is what Islam saw as a retrogade 1120...

Peter
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: asm on July 06, 2011, 12:30:56 PM
.......Part of the legend.

Amit
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Oesho on July 06, 2011, 03:05:34 PM
Important by reading the legend and date on a coin is first of all to try to reconstruct the legend.
The standard couplet on the coins of Shah Jahan is:
shihab al-din muhammad sahib qiran sani
shah jahan badshah ghazi.

Once you look at the coin the couplet arrangement (reading from bottom to top) is:
ghazi
shah jahan badshah
sahib (sanah 1) qiran sani
muhammad
shihab al-din

Any word/symbol/digit which doesn't fit in it requires therefore extra attention.
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Md. Shariful Islam on July 06, 2011, 04:00:19 PM
I think this is what Islam saw as a retrogade 1120...

Peter

Right Peter. For me it is, from left to right, 02, then space.. then 11.

Islam
Title: Re: Shah Jahan Rupee, Surat, AH 1037 RY 1 instead of Ahd
Post by: Figleaf on July 06, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
I hope the splendid analysis above helps...

Peter