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Modern coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens of Africa => Sub-Saharan Africa => East Africa => Topic started by: Afrasi on September 27, 2012, 12:56:31 AM

Title: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on September 27, 2012, 12:56:31 AM
The host coin is a piece of 60 Reis from Goa (Portuguese India). The countermark MR from 1765 makes it a coin of Mozambique under the reign of Dom José. This host coin is not catalogued in Gomes.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Coinsforever on September 27, 2012, 02:28:05 AM
This identified piece of metal bearing a lot of historical facts.

This is how we hobbyist keep on learning from such coins every day.

May I know KM# no ?

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on September 27, 2012, 11:01:14 AM
Yes, this ugly and worn piece of history gives me more joy, than a packet of modern silver proof coins will do.  :D
In my old KM this countermark is not listed with any coin. Perhaps it is in newer editions.
In the catalogue of Gomes it should be under Dom José between the numbers 19 and 20.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on September 28, 2012, 11:01:27 PM
Here comes another one: 1 Onca or 6 Cruzados or 2.880 Reis bearing the date 1843.
The star shaped countermark over the M was done in 1851.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Coinsforever on September 29, 2012, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: Afrasi on September 28, 2012, 11:01:27 PM
Here comes another one: 1 Onca or 6 Cruzados or 2.880 Reis bearing the date 1843.
The star shaped countermark over the M was done in 1851.

These counter marks are quite impressive , does any references available to study further regarding such counter marks.


Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on September 29, 2012, 10:28:36 AM
My only source is the catalogue of Gomes, who remarks at this countermark: Edital da Junta da Fazenda de 8 de Novembro de 1851.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Figleaf on October 01, 2012, 01:06:48 AM
Top pieces, Afrasi. Very impressive. Got a lot of fun and a trip to Gomes out of them. Thanks.

Peter
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on October 01, 2012, 01:16:42 AM
Thanks! Here is another coin from Mozambique:

15 Reis 1725 struck at Ilha de Mocambique. (Gomes # J5 02.03)
Design is a copy of the Portuguese Goa coins.
Reverse reads something like:
o
II?

o
I   = abbreviation of Joao

I? = 15 with a retrograde 5
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Coinsforever on October 01, 2012, 02:57:43 AM
Quote from: Afrasi on September 29, 2012, 10:28:36 AM
My only source is the catalogue of Gomes, who remarks at this countermark: Edital da Junta da Fazenda de 8 de Novembro de 1851.

I found that the two books on Indo-Portuguese coins  are:

1. "Indo-Portuguese Money" by J. Ferraro Vaz. : reference book on coins and paper money .

2. "Moedas Portuguesas" by Alberto Gomes. This book covers all Portugal colonial series including India.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on October 01, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
Yes, I have the book of Ferraro Vaz (Dinheiro Luso-Indiano) too in my library. But it doesn't contain the coinage of Mozambique. So I did not mention it here.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: jsalgado on December 02, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
Your coin is not listed but Gomes 5th edition 2007 lists Meia Tanga stamped MR, Gomes 19.01
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: jsalgado on December 02, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
The Mozambique coins are listed in Livro das Moedas de Portugal  by  J.FerraroVaz/Javier Salgado 1987 (last edition).

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8366/lmpn.jpg)
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on December 02, 2012, 04:44:26 PM
Thank you for your comments!

Your catalogue is no more available at zvab, amazon or abebooks. Do you still have copies in stock?

Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: jsalgado on December 02, 2012, 04:47:33 PM
Yes I do.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Afrasi on December 15, 2012, 02:28:51 PM
Yesterday the book arrived. Many thanks! The catalogue is in a positive way old-fashioned, as it has no photographs, but well-made drawings of the coins, which enables you to show things much clearer than the best photographs.
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: jsalgado on December 15, 2012, 02:44:35 PM
Alexander
Thanks for your message.Enjoy the book.
I knew Mr.Ferraro Vaz it was a great portuguese numismatist.
Best regards
Jaime
Title: Re: Some older coins from Mozambique
Post by: Figleaf on December 15, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
Fortunately, this way of illustrating has not died out. Vanhoudt uses it for Belgian coins, Duplessy for French coins. I share your love of them. I wish someone would take the trouble of doing a computer application that would help making them.

Peter