Sicilia, grano nd (1556-1598), Messina mint, Spahr 121

Started by andyg, December 16, 2010, 01:37:13 AM

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andyg

I think it is from Milan, but not sure....

always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

translateltd

A Google for

"vt commo divs" pp eagle

brings up plenty of hits.  See lot 100 here, for instance:

https://b-frank-and-son.co.uk/?c=2

Numismaster (also found by above search) lists numerous 18th century examples with similar details.

Sicily seems to be your issuing entity, anyway!


andyg

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Thanks Martin, didn't think of googling the words
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

Figleaf

Nice and interesting coin, Andy. The flan looks very roughly cut. Is this a siege coin or just very sloppy flan production? Any ideas about what the legend and the initials mean?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

translateltd

Is that a trace of an upside-down date at the 7 o'clock position on the "UT COMMODIUS" side?  Looks vaguely like 1591, unless I'm hallucinating late in the evening.

Gerhard Schön

The legend UT COMMODIUS means "for greater public ease". And the PP initials likely stand for Pietro del Pozzo, the master of the mint.

Quote from: Figleaf on December 20, 2010, 11:21:45 AMIs this a siege coin or just very sloppy flan production? Any ideas about what the legend and the initials mean?

Figleaf

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Thanks, Gerhard. The name of the mint master did the trick. Either the flan is too small or the coin is pretty heavily cut.

Sicilia, grano nd (1556-1598), Messina mint, Spahr 121.

obv: crowned eagle in circle, PP (Pietro del Pozzo), around: +PHILIPPVS•Dei•Gratia•REX•SICiliae - Philip by the grace of god king of Sicily.
rev: in 3 lines VT/COMMO/DVS in a pearl circle. Legend around:  +PHILIPPVS•Dei•Gratia•REX•SICiliae

The Philip in question was Philip II, king of Spain.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.