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Offline andyg

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Palembang Pitis
« on: October 22, 2010, 11:13:42 AM »
Well, I think it is - but I'm having trouble deciphering it....

(It's a uniface by the way)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2010, 06:23:30 PM by Figleaf »
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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2010, 03:43:35 PM »
I believe I see the date 22 at 7 o'clock. If so, my best guess would be Terengganu Saran Singh 7, pitis 1222 AH and the text would be Kadhir Malik al-Adil (coin of the just ruler) and diameter would be 20 mm. I can't say the rest of the lettering fits, though.

In theory, it could also be a pitis of Kelantan or Patani, but they are generally not uniface.

What is the actual diameter?

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 06:41:59 PM »
diameter is 20mm, which characters fo you think are the date?

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2010, 07:30:30 PM »
These two twos.

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 11:54:28 PM »
Pits, Palembang. Millies #202.

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 12:26:12 AM »
I don't have Millies, so I checked Netscher & v.d. Chijs, as andyg's question was on the text. The closest I got was 193 (a copper coin) and 194 (a tin pitis.) Though there are some resemblances, there are also big differences in the text. If it is 194, the text would be al Sultan fi balad Palembang sanat 1203 - the sultan of the state of Palembang year 1203.

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 02:00:15 PM »
These type of pitis are undated and with corrupted Malay-Arabic inscription.
See for another specimen of the same type: http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=46683
The others, like the copper specimen date AH1198 and the tin pitis dated 1203 can be found there as well.

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 02:26:55 PM »
I think the dating 125!3 for the piece of NvdC is correct, but 1203 exists, too.

Millies is not complete, but better and completer than Netscher/van der Chijs.

Here are the pieces shown by Figleaf, alias Netscher/van der Chijs:
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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 02:54:56 PM »
Very educational, all. Thank you. Piddling little thing on the file names: Palembang is now Indonesia, not Malaysia.

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 03:12:23 PM »
Thanks all.

PS can't find any entries in Krause for Palembang....
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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 03:29:08 PM »
PS can't find any entries in Krause for Palembang....
See 19th cent. ed. under Netherlands East Indies, p.918.

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 03:32:57 PM »
Piddling little thing on the file names: Palembang is now Indonesia, not Malaysia.
Where did you see it referred to Malaysia?

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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2010, 03:33:18 PM »
See 19th cent. ed. under Netherlands East Indies, p.918.

Thanks, I really must get a newer version of this one than my 4th.  Palembang seems to be omitted from the 4th edition in it's entirety.
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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2010, 03:34:14 PM »
Where did you see it referred to Malaysia?

I assume it's the labels on Afrisi's scans,
"Malaysia Palembang Pitis 1198"
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Re: Pitis?
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2010, 03:50:48 PM »
Looking on Numismaster - they have two coins for "Netherlands East Indies\Palembang"
KM#1 Tin 14mm Octagonal - 1219 (1804)
KM#2 Tin 14mm Octagonal - 1219 (1804)

I have to admit I'm baffled (again) ???
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