Proof? Not a Proof? or need more evidence?

[Prosit]

Several times over the years I have attempted to purchase an Austrian 1964 10-Schilling coin in uncirculated condition.  If you take a peek at Krause you will see that it is the toughest of that series and the most expensive too.  I haven't had a chance to examine the coins before hand (on-line auctions, etc.) and have to go by the images or rely on some friend in somewhere else to get me one.  Everytime I have been disappointed because in this instance the proof is much much cheaper than the uncirculated and I wind up with (in my opinion) a proof everytime.  I don't even like proofs these days.

I know, in most instances, an image is tough to use to draw conclusions about the coin depicted but look at this image.  Do you think it is a proof?  I do.  I think I have failed yet once again.

Dale

[UK Decimal +]

Sorry Dale, but I can't help you with an answer.

I've also become annoyed that some (British) coins are only available in proof (or, worse still to me, brilliant uncirculated).   I'm seriously thinking of changing my 'remit' for 'one of every British decimal coin in base metal' to 'as circulated' and have been considering writing to the Royal Mint for them to make sets of uncirculated quality available at the end of every year.

Bill.

[Figleaf]

Can't say without the coin in hand, but chances are that this an unc.

Starting from the 1990s, several small European mints produced coins in excellent quality. My guess is that they compensated for shorter production runs by letting the presses roll slower. The result is a coin that looks like a very good first strike, almost, but not quite, proof. See also this thread.

Technically, the difference is that these coins were struck once, whereas a proof is struck twice. If you have a proof coin of the same type, put it side by side with this one. The proof should be sharper and the relief somewhat deeper.

Peter

[Austrokiwi]

The 1964 10 schillings only had a circulation mintage of 187,000. Even in the Austrian ANK an UNCIRC example is more expensive than a Proof.  Do you want me to check in one of the local coin shops for you? I am going into a couple on Monday. I can check at the main Auction house in Vienna they are reliable.

[Prosit]

Thanks but nah!  Im't not ready to try again just yet.
Dale

The 1964 10 schillings only had a circulation mintage of 187,000. Even in the Austrian ANK an UNCIRC example is more expensive than a Proof.  Do you want me to check in one of the local coin shops for you? I am going into a couple on Monday. I can check at the main Auction house in Vienna they are reliable.

[Prosit]

And that is what I think I have.  It is semi-frosted.
Dale

I have a semi-frosted version of that coin. The set it came in was advertised as "proof-like".

The description of the theme is given as "Woman of the Wachau District".

[Prosit]

OOPS! Looks like I made a mistake.  Looking back through my old posts here, it appears I also have the 1964 that isn't a proof or semi proof.     I wonder what the heck I did with it! 

I will have to do a search through my stuff to located it.  Maybe that missing Canadian coin binder will show up too.  I haven't seen it in a few months.

Dale

[Austrokiwi]

lol  I have only been collecting for 7 years now...... is this an example of what I can look forward to?

[andyg]

It gets worse 

I look through my folders and sometimes it's like looking through someone else's collection if I'm not careful I find myself thinking, "That's a nice coin, wish I had one of those....."   Then you have to think "wherever did I get that from"

I've also been known to proudly come home with a new coin type - try to catalogue it - only to find I already have one

[UK Decimal +]

My main collection of £sd (pre-decimal) is in an Excel workbook where I am carefully listing every known variation (post 1816ish) together with the condition and how much it cost.   When I am bidding for something on eBay, I fill the price paid box in yellow and if I win it, I enter the price and change the colour to green.   When it arrives, I grade it and clear the green.   'Wanted' have a red box for quick recognition.   Other types of coin are treated in a similar manner on other worksheets.

I never include the cost of post and packing, as I would have to pay (time costs money) if I went to a dealer, but if I 'win' something, I look at 'other items from same seller' to try to keep transit costs to a minimum.

Bill. 

[Prosit]

Ah Ha!  I found it!  It was in a 2X2 in my duplicate coin box    and the Canadian binder showed up during the hunt as well so I added some coins to it and upgraded my 1933 cent.  While I have the Canada binder located at least temporarily, I better add my other Canadian coins to it while I can 

There is is starting to be some sort of order to my coin collection but I still have a way to go.

Dale

[Figleaf]

My explanation for fogeyism is that I have a coin-eating desk. It likes to eat coins from time to time, but it also sometimes burps and there are the lost coins again!

Peter

[Prosit]

My desk does that too.  It is a large, old, ugly, steel, formica top office desk probably from the 60's.  It is indestructible and has an appatite for coins, documents and cd's.  That desk and my habit of putting everything in different places thinking I will
grab that soon and incorporate it into my binders. which sometimes seem to take longer than estimated   

Dale

My explanation for fogeyism is that I have a coin-eating desk. It likes to eat coins from time to time, but it also sometimes burps and there are the lost coins again!

Peter