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andyg

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Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« on: February 27, 2010, 03:08:34 PM »
Below is a scan of a 20 Sols issued by the French during a three month siege of Lille by the English and the Austrians in 1708.

The coin reads XX.S (20 Sols)
"Pro defensione vrbis et patria"
But I'm at a loss to work out what the "vrbis" translates as ???
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Re: Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 03:22:49 PM »
City.

Excellent piece of history! (But there was another country involved in the siege)

Peter
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Re: Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 06:36:38 PM »
Slight refinement: urbs is city, urbis is "of the city".  Last word is "patriae" rather than patria, i.e. "of the country/fatherland".




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Re: Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 07:17:53 PM »
Thanks both,

never thought to spell it with a 'U', bit obviovs really.

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Re: Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 10:05:02 AM »
Who cares, this is a prize piece. The big lesson of the war of the Spanish succession, both here and ultimately in the bloody battlefields of Blenheim ("It was a famous victory") and Malplaquet, is that storming a well-entrenched enemy position is bloody, exhausting and useless. The pinnacle of that lesson was the first world war, when both parties were entrenched and it took tanks to make infantry dynamic again, but it started in Lille, flared up in Stalingrad and I hope it ended only when Iran sent huge waves of ill-equipped and untrained attackers against the dug in Iraqi army. Do you think the Chinese have learned the lesson?

I am wondering about the side with the crown. At first sight it looks like crowned arms on two crossed cannons, but what are all the little letter-like thingies doing there? [speculation] The defenders withdrew to the citadel early on and the citadel is described as a "double ring" (surprising by itself, since I would have expected a star-shaped citadel). What if the ring is the citadel with the French lilies inside and the enemy outside? [/speculation]

Peter
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Re: Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 12:10:49 PM »
It's a shield on crossed pikes, with the order chain in the background.  I suspect they are not letters, though they do look like them.

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Re: Lille, Siege coinage 1708
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 12:14:44 PM »
Got it. It's indeed the chain of some order, dangling on it below. But them is not pikes!

Peter
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