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States of the church, KM 1267, 1 baioccho 1802, Rome mint

Started by Figleaf, February 14, 2010, 12:52:26 AM

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Figleaf

The last of the lot and the one I could read completely.

obv: PONTIFICATVS SECVNDO, below BAIOCCO
rev: PIVS / SEPTIMVS / PONTIFEX / MAXIMVS, below MDCCCII

But what are the three things below the date?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

andyg

The three things are heads, I've always wondered what they represent?

Figleaf

#2
Found nothing on the heads. This is KM 1267, 34.9 mm, 11.9 gr. KM says it's Rome mint.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

translateltd

They are the severed heads of those who insisted on using the term "States of the Church" instead of "Papal States", pour encourager les autres ...


Figleaf

An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Figleaf

Well, mine is an honest to goodness VG-F who worked for food, yours is a shameless EF+ that made others do the work for him. Ya see now? ;)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Harald

Quote from: Figleaf on February 14, 2010, 02:43:59 AM
Found nothing on the heads. This is KM 1267, 34.5 mm, 12 gr. KM says it's Rome mint.

Peter
The heads belong to the coat of arms of pope Pius VII (Gregorio Luigi Barnaba Chiaramonti), see http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Regions/Italie/Papes_9.htm

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Harald
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a3v1

Was this Pope Pius VII a Corsican?
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Figleaf

That solves it. The "black head with bandage" is a seldom used heraldic device. I only know of its use for Corsica and Sardegna. There is a village called Chiaramonti in Sardegna. Its coat of arms does not have the heads, though.

Just for translateltd, the heads are indeed severed. The legend of the moor's head derives from the practice of cutting off the head of a defeated chieftain. This the Genoans did to Sampiero Corso. In 1297, pope Boniface VIII, who was the lord of the island, gave Corse and Sardinia to Jaime II, King of Aragón. He then placed three black heads with bandages over their eyes in his Corsican arms. Sardinia bore four. They were shown sable for heraldic reasons and were not meant to represent heads of black people, but still, in due time, were referred to as moor's heads. Source: "Heraldry of the World" web site.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.