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Kindly Identify this Silver Coin

Started by Adv. Girish bhambhani, April 08, 2024, 10:04:23 AM

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Adv. Girish bhambhani

Kindly help in identifying this coin.
Weight: 10.90 gms approx
Diameter: 23.05 mm approx
Thank you.
GIRISH

capnbirdseye

#1
Afghanistan under Taimur Shah Durrani, Rupee of Kashmir dated AH1202, engraving looks a bit crude, 1202 should be Regnal year 15 but I can only see the 5.  The top image has what appears to be parts of copper visible at the bottom ? if so then a contemporary forgery although weight is about right
Vic

aws22

#2
Thank you Vic for the coin ID:
Dear Girish, your coin in details:
AFGHANISTAN, Durrani Shahs, Taimur Shah ibn Ahmad Shah, AH 1202/RY 15, Silver plated Rupee, Kashmir mint (AH 1186-1207/1772-1793 AD)
Reverse (First photo):
مانوس  , manus
ميمنت  , maimanat
سنه ۱۵ جلوس  , sanah 15 Julus (Regnal year 15 but only digit 5 is shown)
كشمير  , Kashmir
ضرب  , zarb
(Struck at Kashmir, in year 15 of the accession associated with tranquil prosperity).
Obverse (Second photo): within a circle surrounded by dotted circle, Farsi couplet:
برچهره نقش سکه تیمور شاه , Bar Chehra Naqsh Sikkah Timur Shah
 از خورشید ماه تازید  , Az Khursheed-wa-Mah, Ta Zid
چرخ مي آرد طلا و نقره  , Charakh Mi Aard Tala-wa-Naqra
چرخ مي آرد طلا و نقره از خورشید ماه تازید برچهره نقش سکه تیمور شاه
Meaning, "The heaven brings in gold and silver from the sun and moon, so that it may receive the impression of the stamp of Taimur Shah".
Please note that the date " 1202  ۱۲۰۲ " is at 9 O'clock of second photo.

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

Adv. Girish bhambhani

Thank you Maythem for the details.
Thank you Vic for your help. Yes, it is indeed a copper coin with a coating of silver on it. Weight is also less than 11 gms...so you are correct.. it is contemporary forgery.
GIRISH

capnbirdseye

Quote from: Adv. Girish bhambhani on April 08, 2024, 03:44:51 PMThank you Maythem for the details.
Thank you Vic for your help. Yes, it is indeed a copper coin with a coating of silver on it. Weight is also less than 11 gms...so you are correct.. it is contemporary forgery.

It's still of historical interest though and therefore very collectible in my view
Vic

krishna

wow!!, given that the numbers of forged coins are surely lower than the originals, obviously, contemporary forged coins should be much more valuable
it will be even more fascinating and intriguing if there is any first-hand account about such forgeries, and their impact on the economy

asm

During those times, forgery or counterfeiting of coins was met with instant death...... Coins were minted from silver taken to the mint by individual traders etc for a small cost, part of which would also be offset by melting losses.
Making dies and minting copper and silvering it would surely have saved some money ........but would the risk of death be worth the saving?
In all probability, these were minted at later dates and as Arthur Needham has been at pains to explain, these would have been used to make jewellery (Indians are extremely fond of necklaces made using coins) - Jewelers have also struck almost current British India coins with the mint name changed to either their firms name or with the prefix - Muafiq'(like or as gifts at weddings....... Since the coins may not have been in circulation or legal tender at that point in time, there was no risk ....
The abundance of such copper coated coins points in that direction. I have a collection of over 30 such coins of different entities.....some silver coated and some silver washed and some plain copper core.....

Amit
"It Is Better To Light A Candle Than To Curse The Darkness"