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Started by coinsmcr, November 25, 2023, 12:29:31 PM

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Figleaf

I think this piece was meant to resemble a quart d'écu, which is a silver coin. See this post for a genuine coin. Apart from not being silver, there is a decoration looking like an S to the left of the arms, where there is a II on the real thing. This is part of the denomination (IIII, for four of these are worth an écu), so it should not have been trifled with. Unfortunately, I can't read the legend, so it is impossible to assign it to a king. The genuine coin was popular in Spain, Portugal, France and the Southern and Northern Netherlands also, so this contemporary imitation was not necessarily made in France.

It is not a feudal coin, as it has regal symbols. It is unlikely to be a counter as it is too close to the real thing.

It is likely to have been found by a detectorist. The vertical fold through the centre says it was found folded and slowly and nicely re-flattened with just the right amount of heat and pressure. You can imagine the farmer coming back from the market, finding a quart d'écu that shows a lot of copper on its surface. He bends it and it bends too easily. Frustrated, he folds it all the way. Scared to be caught with it, he throws it into a field, where it becomes an isolated coin find of our detectorist, a few centuries later. The pretty harsh cleaning was probably necessary to bring out some detail and likely to have removed what remained of the thin layer of silver.

Peter
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FosseWay

I suspect this is a jeton de compte / Rechenpfennig or whatever you want to call them. I have several that are reminiscent of official coinage but sufficiently different not to be fakes designed to deceive.

Figleaf

Not impossible, but:

Quote from: Figleaf on December 03, 2023, 11:26:31 AMIt is unlikely to be a counter as it is too close to the real thing.

In addition, most counters of this time were around 30 mm or even slightly bigger. You could argue that the piece is clipped, but clipping is typical for silver coins and that makes sense: clipping silver is more remunerative and carries the same risk.

Peter
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Guillaume Hermann

Hello,

It is a counter from Tournai. They were lighter and more little than their descendants in Nuremberg. Here is one of the same family (without crown), 25 mm and 1,40 g and you can look at the others http://www.comptoir-des-monnaies.com/product_info.php/jeton-de-compte-lecu-jeton-p-67749
It has not been clipped, no need clipping for being so little and light.
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