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Offline Rangnath

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I have three falus' that I need help with attribution. 
The first weighs 3.1 grams and is 17 mm across.
The date might be 1221 of maybe 1519 if I turn it upside down ( ::)
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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH ?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 12:13:34 AM »
Moroccan coins tend to have the date below, so I turned the picture upside down. Dates are Islamic, so a date starting with 1500 is impossible. I think you have a coin dated 1211 here. Falus with that date were struck with the mint name Fes (KM 95.5) and Tetuan (KM 95.9) only. The picture from KM shows the Fes variant.

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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH ?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 12:28:08 AM »
First I tried turning my head upside down, then I tried turning my monitor upside down - I then realised that since I already had my head upside down what I now had was the same view - but a bit more painfully.

Try as I might (even with my now painful neck) I can't make a 2 from the second digit.
The Marrakesh Falus illustrated in Krause with a date 1251 does seem to have the date at the top?
but then again I can't make a 5 either...

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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH ?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 12:31:25 AM »
I would argue that the funny wriggle on the coin pictured in KM and identified as KM 95.5 has much in common with the funny wriggle on this coin. See also this thread.

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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH ?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 01:02:46 AM »
thanks for looking at this.
These days are usually without sun, but I'll attempt to take a photo of the date and see if we can't see more tomorrow.
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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH ?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 02:02:08 AM »
Someone on Zeno used " Corpus des Monnaies Alawites " by Daniel Eustache , Bank of Morocco , Rabat 1984, for help with this one.  He said that it was 1721, as the error date for 1221 and that it was corpus 1149 or Km 122b.1;  no mint.
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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH (1721 error date), no mint, Km 122b.1, corpus 1149
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 11:21:33 PM »
I do not fully agree. Eustache # 1149 has the date 1271, but the date of the coin above is 1721. But # 1149 has also the exception of date above. This is an errors for 1271.
This coin is not in Eustache's Corpus. It's mentioned in the catalogue of Benziane and called RARE.
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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH (1721 error date), no mint, Km 122b.1, corpus 1149
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 11:51:58 PM »
Thanks for taking a look at this Afrasi.
I want to understand you correctly.
You agree with Morocco Falus 1221 AH (1721 error date), no mint, Km 122b.1,
but NOT with corpus 1149?
Does the catalogue of Benziane list this coin by number?

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Re: Morocco Falus 1221 AH (1721 error date), no mint, Km 122b.1, corpus 1149
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 01:34:32 AM »
I have only the old ANA Centennial Issue of KM, where Morocco is not complete listed ... But it's an error for 1271, not for 1221.
It's not exactly Eustache # 1149, it's not listed there.
Benziane has no numbers, but he lists all dates and mints he has really seen.