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Started by <k>, August 14, 2020, 05:14:05 PM
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Quote from: <k> on August 14, 2020, 05:14:05 PMI don't know how the Kazakhs pronounce the name of their country
Quote from: Figleaf on August 14, 2020, 05:53:23 PMI am told (I am not well versed in Arabic writing) that the Arabic alphabet does not have a "k" and that the sound is written with a sound that that is transliterated as "q", never followed by "u". By now, I have gotten used to writing Samarqand, while I still slip up with Tashqent. Bill Gates thinks both are wrong.
Quote from: FosseWay on August 15, 2020, 09:22:17 AM(An aside on Arabic, and the possibility of adopting the Arabic alphabet for Kazakh rather than Latin. It doesn't depend on potential confusion with Arabic in religious contexts; people in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran manage perfectly well with their own languages and Arabic being written in the same script. It's more that Turkic languages can't be efficiently and unambiguously written in a system that tends to omit vowels, as Arabic does. Arabic vowels are predictable and can be omitted in many cases in writing (they are written in full in important and ceremonial texts - the Qur'an, for example). It is more necessary to write the vowels in Turkish and related languages (like Kazakh), which makes it more sensible to use a full alphabet - either Latin or Cyrillic or a new one invented for the purpose - to write them.)
QuoteIt is part of the national identity and you are taking sides by your choice.
Quote from: Figleaf on August 17, 2020, 01:28:41 PMIf you deny you are taking sides by using the wrong symbols you will never understand the feedback you are getting. If you wear an orange shirt by happenstance in a city where a Dutch national sports team plays you may get free drinks or dirty looks, depending on which place you happen to select to re-hydrate.
QuoteAnother question is who needs to understand the misunderstanding. I argued above that it's the guest, not the host. Dutch diplomats in Vietnam wear pins with a Dutch flag and the text in Vietnamese "I am not Russian". Can you imagine a majority of Vietnamese wearing pins with "I hate Russians"? When I was in Mexico, I always wove "I am not American" into what I was saying when I got talking to a Mexican. Can you imagine all Mexicans being socially obliged to say "I hate Americans" to every English-speaking foreigner? It is not beyond human capacity to know that language is an issue in Belgium and to get ahead of it.
QuoteI asked the central Asian branch of my family about the use of Казахстан and Russian in general. They say people in the street are very relaxed about it, but expect you to pronounce it correctly (x is a guttural g, not a k). Officials are more sensitive, but those used to foreigners can handle the subtleties well.
Quote from: <k> on August 17, 2020, 05:58:51 PMKirghizia became Kyrgyzstan - though I do dislike the unwieldy spelling of Kyrgyzstan.