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Offline maudry

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Civic copper with flower - Fuman mint
« on: March 31, 2020, 12:14:03 AM »
Interesting way how the legend is presented but I didn't manage to make any sense of it.
Sense: 18mm
Weight: 3.27gr
« Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 08:13:40 PM by maudry »

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Re: Civic copper with flower
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2020, 10:38:08 AM »
Unpublished it seems  :) and  difficult to read as letters are somewhat worn, but most of the mintname is present.
A good identification exercise during this difficult period of confinement...
I think I have the clue and will post it later to give some time to those who would like to decipher this coin  ;)
« Last Edit: March 31, 2020, 03:00:06 PM by saro »
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Re: Civic copper with flower
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2020, 04:36:25 PM »
Dear Saro, the mint place is “ Fuman فومن  “, it is a rare mint used by Safavids, Tahmasp I , AR Shahi and Isma’il II, AR Two Shahi coins as per attachment (the mint is seen at bottom left).
Fuman “ فومن‎ “ is the capital of Fuman County in Gilan Province, Iran. Fuman city is also famous for making “Klucheh” which is cookie stuffed with a cinnamon, sugar and walnut filling.

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Re: Civic copper with flower
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2020, 11:42:08 PM »
Thank you for that Id.
Froé the design I would believe that this coin is more recent than Safavid.

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Re: Civic copper with flower
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2020, 09:01:30 AM »
Dear Maythem and Maudry, my conclusions are the same as yours .
First of all, the mint seems well to be "Fuman" , with the legend "فومن  فلوس " starting from bottom (  :applause: Maythem).
Then, I agree with Maudry to say that this coin is likely from  XVIIIth c. two copper coins of Fuman are listed on Zeno but are older than the first  Safavids.
Fuman is close to Rasht, and this coin has been likekely struck at the  same period as the numerous ones of this city : late Safavids or Zands.

If it is confirmed, this civic copper is of great interest and very rare.
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Re: Civic copper with flower
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2020, 06:17:22 PM »
Thank you Saro for these additional information.
I think I will post it on zeno and see if I get additional feedback.

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Re: Civic copper with flower
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2020, 08:41:06 PM »
I think I will post it on zeno and see if I get additional feedback.
Good idea !
Dezful was also a candidate due to  " فو " a common part to the two mintnames, but I eliminate it because the coin appears to have been well centered and that there is no room for the beginning of this  mintname. In addition remains of " من " seem well to be present in center. ("falus is partially cut at top)
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Re: Civic copper with flower - Fuman mint
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2020, 09:04:16 PM »
I have uploaded it: Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Civic Copper, flower - Fuman mint
I have put it into the "Help in identification" section where I hope more knowledgeable members may have a look.

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Re: Civic copper with flower - Fuman mint
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2020, 08:33:27 PM »
I found this one on zeno which looks similar to my coin:
Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Ghaznayn, anonymous AE Falus, ND, A-3231

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Re: Civic copper with flower - Fuman mint
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2020, 11:39:20 AM »
The arrangement of the  legend and ornaments shows indeed a great similarity with the Zeno coin; the  7 petals flower on reverse and your 6 petals could be two varieties of a Ghasnain falus? and so, the lower part of the legend  read as " فو " should be a fraction of " falus"...
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