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Here is a coin of Giyaz shah issued as sultan, in 875.AH. G&G date is 874.AH. These two coins are complementary to each other as far as legend and date are concerned.
The first coin shows all the "sultan" writings and the next one shows "abu al fath", "khalji" and date.
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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2019, 06:37:30 PM »
The double topic was removed.
Great pair and very nice overlays !

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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2019, 08:30:04 PM »
Thank you very much.
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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2019, 08:37:53 PM »
Mal# 025
Date 75 ??
May be 74 ?
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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2019, 09:27:53 PM »
Dear Gusev,
Please take a looka t M99. Date on the coin is 895. "5" can be clearly seen on the image. Mal#025 has the same numeral. "7" is clear to its left making it "75".  See M96 where "4" is seen on the left side of the bottom line of obv. It is written as on Delhi coins.
I have a wild (rather too wild!) guess. On the image of M96A, G&G reads date as 874. There "75" might have been presumed as "4" due to insufficient legend visible on flan. Upward right-arm stroke of "7" and top part of "5" might have been taken as "4" instead of "75". They took "87" as off flan and read it as "874". That is the only possible date ending with "4" for a round coin because after 878, coins were square in shape.
Please see the pics below. Consider that the date actually is as in first pic. All the date except the portion inside the red square in pic-2 is off flan. It gives a visible impression like pic-3. It is easy to presume that as "4" and consider that "87" is out of flan. Totally it made the date reading as "874" whereas in reality it is "875".
On Mal#025, more parts of date is seen  and "8" is out. But it is enough to read it as (8)75 to the left of "Khalji".
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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2019, 06:38:05 PM »

Please see the pics below. Consider that the date actually is as in first pic. All the date except the portion inside the red square in pic-2 is off flan. It gives a visible impression like pic-3. It is easy to presume that as "4" and consider that "87" is out of flan. Totally it made the date reading as "874" whereas in reality it is "875".
On Mal#025, more parts of date is seen  and "8" is out. But it is enough to read it as (8)75 to the left of "Khalji".

Dear Sreedhar.
I'm sorry, I did not understand.  ???
Date 74 or 75?
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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2019, 08:38:52 PM »
Dear Gusev,
 In India, the numeral "5" had been written like the "E" during this period.
Please see this example of Islam shah coin at Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Sultans of Dehli, D09??, Islam Shah, AE Paisa, . The date is 952.
For this coin Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Sultans of Malwa, M032, Mahmud Shah I, bi of Mahmud shah-I of Malwa, the date is 856.
At times, this "E" like 5 was written crudely and in slanting styles. Please see this Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Gujarat sultans, G046, Muhammad shah-II AE . Date is 854
Sur dynasty also continued this tradition. This coin of Shershah issued in AH.950 Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Sultans of Dehli, D0841, Sher Shah Suri, AE shows that very clearly.

This coin under discussion belongs to that period and that region. The numeral is "5" and so the reading is "75".
Numeral "4" was written in the Arabic numeral in your pic next to "E" (with an open loop above Arabic "2". Thanks
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Re: Malwa Sultans, M96A, Giyath shah AE 1/3Falus, 875.AH(unpublished date)
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2019, 09:04:08 PM »
Dear Sreedhar.
Thank. :like:
I did not know this nuance when writing the number 5.
This information is very interesting to me.
In the coins of the Himalayan region, there is no such feature when writing numbers.
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