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Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« on: January 29, 2019, 05:08:07 PM »
Although the Lion side is somewhat worn the reverse has no trace whatsoever, it gives the impression that it was only ever struck on one side.


The date AH 1258 (1847) is visible
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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 01:28:50 PM »
A coin of Mashad with the similar"Lion & Sun" design and date is listed in "Persian Copper Coins" (B.Alaedini) p.27. / 5,55g - 20,4mm /1258 AH

The Mashad mint workers could very well be cousins of those of Barfurushdeh, described in this extract of "Monetary History of Iran / R.Matthee"  :D....

"Melgunov visiting the mint of Barforush in 1860’s, writes :
Near the gate, usually open, the master or ustad is seated in front of a charcoal brazier in which he heats gold or silver with one hand whilst at the same time he, with the other hand, feeds bread and barley to the cow that stands next to him as well as to the roving chickens. In the free space before him stands another ustad, who in one hand holds a water pipe from which he smokes, while with the other hand he presses the die…//…the third ustad whose task is to take the struck coins out of there and to clean them. The striking of the coins is done quite mechanically ; the ustad does not even look at the other two, or check the form of the coin…."

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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 04:23:18 PM »
To strike one side only would require it would have to be struck on an anvil or similar hard surface I would think
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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 05:05:18 PM »
To strike one side only would require it would have to be struck on an anvil or similar hard surface I would think
That could be ? Or some object remained placed on the lower die (the previous coin ?). Hope it wasn't the thumb of the 3rd "ustad"....
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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2019, 06:12:08 PM »
Hope it wasn't the thumb of the 3rd "ustad"....

The coin does look bloodstained  :D
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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2019, 10:04:05 PM »
Is the edge on the unstruck side sharp or roundish?

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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2019, 10:41:47 PM »
here is the  Alaedini's coin (left) and re-centered as yours (right).
The other face wasn't necessary ! even blank, it is well "Mashad maqdas"
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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2019, 11:59:35 PM »
here is the  Alaedini's coin (left) and re-centered as yours (right).
The other face wasn't necessary ! even blank, it is well "Mashad maqdas"

Definitely Mashad then, I'll add it to the ticket.

Is the edge on the unstruck side sharp or roundish?

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roundish, the flan is also lop sided so thicker on one side than the other
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Re: Lion & Sun Falus with blank reverse
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 10:57:00 AM »
My interpretation is that a ball of hot metal was placed on a flat surface, where it slowly flattened, creating the tapered sides, until one die (maybe larger than the flan) was pressed (not hammered) on top, flattening the collapsed ball even more. If so, it was no accident that it is one-sided.

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