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I thought it was Thevenon's triangle but was unsure as its a little battered.
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Created some introductory pages and an extensive page for market leader Douwe Egberts. We still need a large amount of pictures. The tokens are often offered for sale on the net. Remember that it doesn't have to be your token. All we need is a rights free picture.

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Another;

Smit Kinderdijk Cu-Ni 22.55mm KB412
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A really great addition, malj1. The Smit family is legendary in Dutch economic history. Their story starts in 1695 with Jacques Luijdertszoon van Vreem, a Flemish protestant who escaped persecution and settled in Kinderdijk as a smith. His offspring took the family name Smit. One son became a shipbuilder. Successive generations built a number of shipyards and started a high seas tug and rescue service (Smit International) of global renown. In port cities all over the world, their ships were known by name and recognised on sight. For a good while, practically all of Kinderdijk's bread winners were Smit employees. The token was meant for one of the shipyards.

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I started this project on the understanding that I can't do it alone. Here is a very specific example. I have just finished the page on FAEMA. Kooij distinguishes three variants of the token pictured below: broad edge (0.8 mm), thin edge (0.3 mm) and "mirror image". The first two are not clear from the single picture. The third is quite unclear. Since the price is low, it is not brockage or a wrong die. It might be en relief, since it is normally incuse, but that's just a guess. Do you have these tokens or pictures showing the difference?

Give malj1 and me a hand, please. Think of this project when you are surfing for coins.

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Anonymous steel 22.1mm

Identified as Italian. See the BO S.A. Bergamo token and the anonymous token lower down.

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I imagine this would be as my image below...

6.   23.5 mm, ms, spiegelbeeld  1.00
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Not likely, Malcolm. That would have been some kind of error (not sure how such an error would have come about). It would have been discovered sooner, rather than later and error pieces still with the minter or FAEMA would have been returned to the melting oven. However, Kooij prices both "normal" and "mirror image" tokens the same, indicating that both are easy to find, so both variants must have been acceptable to FAEMA.

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I first found this KB068 CA In an Italian telephone catalogue but was later told (jezuss) its used in KWM coffee machines.
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I searched Faema on Google images and became quite bewildered with the varieties  and suggested locations

Numista and Colnect suggest from Italy while catawiki prefers Belgium.

One I found does suggest Italy with a Faema type reverse. ...first image and most are from Numista]

note breaks in left frame of others
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Another on Delcampe pretty sure its not incuse.

TOKEN JETO GETTONE FAEMA PER MACCHINETTE CAFFE' 22mm
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FAEMA 13 GETTONE TOKEN BORDO SEGHETTATO
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That's good evidence that there is a version en relief and a prime candidate for the "mirror image" version. Thank you, Malcolm.

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Here is the next puzzle. Schoonhoven is a megalopolis of such a size that if you sneeze while driving through, you may have missed it. I can imagine a workshop there doing maintenance and repairs on coffee vending machines and selling tokens for those machines on the side, but two of them? Without a shoot-out at the OK corral? Or could De Vos (a family name) be a demanding client who wants his own shiny version of Solomatic's token? It seems unlikely, as the white metal tokens generally precede the brass ones. So, is it "what's in a name?" and De Vos is the same company as Solomatic?

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Still finding tokens in my tray the new listing helps.  ;D I also have the railway one but too late. 311.3

405 S.H. stork Cu-ni 22.5mm

467 Vredestein Brass 18mm
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