Luik/Liège stuiver 1492-1505

[RVCOINS]

Hi Guys,

after a long search i could not find this silver coin.

It's looks like the arms of Hoorne. The three hornes are also in Weert and s Heerenberg ( The Netherlands ) or Liege in Belgium.

I also look on the German counties but could not find the coin either. (Eggenberg, Nassau, Bentheim, Kyrburg etc. )

Has any one an idea.

Thanks a lot

RVCOINS

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While a different and doubtless later coin, lot 1365 here: http://www.kareldegeus.nl/veilingen_oud/veiling26.pdf describes a piece with quartered arms containing lions and horns attributed to Orange - a further lead, perhaps?

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This is a silver stuiver from the bishopric of Luik/Liège, struck in the city of Luik in the name of prince-bishop John of Horne (1492-1505), references: Vanhoudt 1089, de Chestret 416.

obv: arms of Horne under a bishop's crown in pearl circle. +IOHS*EPS'*LEODIEN'*DVX*BVL'*LOS' in full IOHannvS EPiscopvS LEODIENis DVX BVLionis LOnensiS - John bishop of Liège duke of Bouillon (and) Loon
rev: decorated cross, lions (Loon) and horns (Horne) between the arms, breaking through a pearl circle. SI*DEV   S*NOBI   SCV'*QV   IS*CO'*N in full SI DEVS (PRO) NOBISCUm QVIS COntra Nos - if god is for us who could be against us.

John of Horne (1450 - Maastricht, 18 december 1505) is a member of the Horne family. He was nominated prince-bishop of Luik by pope Sixtus IV on 17th December 1483. at that time, Liege was going through a civil war that ended only in 1492, so John reigned as "electus confirmatus" until that time. John is known for making a great effort to repair war damage and to secure the neutrality of Liège from the French king, saving it from further destruction by the hands of the French, but also putting the bishopric firmly in the hands of the holy German empire as an independent entity, while the rest of Belgium became a Habsburg fief.

When pretender Louis de Bourbon lost the support of Philippe le bel, king of France, peace negotiations could start. On 5th April 1487 the peace of St. James was signed. On 28th April, John made the treaty the law of the land, as the Treaty contained all the laws of Luik. According to the Belgian constitutional court, the rules on irrigation and sewers in the Treaty are still valid and the oldest law still in use in Belgium.

Peter

[RVCOINS]

Hi Peter,

thanks for this clarification and a piece of history.

Although the text is not always readable, it looks like that we have a text variety if a compare this with your G 1089.


Are these type of coins rare?

Again thanks a lot

RVCOINS
   


 

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It is common to see many text varieties on coins of this period. The words don't change much, but the abbreviations are made up again as a new die is cut, especially towards the end of the legend.

These coins are certainly not common and I personally find them extremely interesting for their historic background and heraldry, but demand for them is small also. If you Google around a bit you may find some on the net. I expect that Jean Elsen and CGB have handled them

Peter