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Offline Figleaf

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Confirmation of id requested
« on: February 13, 2018, 10:04:41 PM »
Our French colleagues have requested help for the three coins shown. They were found together in Northern Sumatra, near te Malacca Straits. The original thread is here.

The owner believes they are 14th or 15th century coins of the sultanate of Pasai or the sultanate of Aceh. He sees "Al-Adil" on the two top coins and believes the third is in the shape of a sandalwood flower. He thinks the metal is a tin and lead alloy. Weight is not given. Can you confirm the id?

The coins are not in Netscher & Van der Chijs or Saran Singh. Scholten does not cover them. I maximised contrast to bring out more detail, but this changed the colour.

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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2018, 12:22:47 AM »
For those whose Arabic is better than mine (NOT difficult). Extract from Mitchiner's World of Islam

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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2018, 10:58:19 AM »
I think the top coin is MWI 3956 and the middle one is MWI 3955, but I'd appreciate confirmation from someone who reads Arabic better than me. Also, does someone have Millies?

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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2018, 10:59:29 PM »
Our French colleagues have requested help for the three coins shown. They were found together in Northern Sumatra, near te Malacca Straits. The original thread is here.

The owner believes they are 14th or 15th century coins of the sultanate of Pasai or the sultanate of Aceh. He sees "Al-Adil" on the two top coins

I agree : the two top coins shows "al-'adl" on both faces, of which only few parts are legible : "  العادل  "
three faces show  " لعا al- 'a..." and one show the end: " د ل ..dl"
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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 01:28:03 AM »
So they are not MWI 3955 and 3956? AFAIK, al-adil is a honorific and doesn't give a clue as to where these coins are from ...

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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2018, 08:44:32 AM »
So they are not MWI 3955 and 3956? AFAIK, al-adil is a honorific and doesn't give a clue as to where these coins are from ...

Yes Peter, I'm afraid...
it seems to me that for the 2nd coin there is no room for the full formula "al-'adl" and that it is spread on both faces "al'a " & " dl "  ???
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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2018, 04:27:34 PM »
Found Millies in electronic format. The third coin could be Millies 146, while the two other might be 147 and 148 (though the coins in Millies seem too small), but the scan is pretty bad. The legends are largely unreadable. I can't even find out which metal these three coins are.

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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 05:48:49 PM »
Yes Peter, I'm afraid...it seems to me that for the 2nd coin there is no room for the full formula "al-'adl" and that it is spread on both faces "al'a " & " dl "  ???

That could be better the last letter " k ك " of "malik مالك" ? and may give : "al-'adl / Malik "  ?
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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2018, 06:36:57 PM »
Thank you, saro. Millies (p. 72) mentions a gold mas with the text الملك العادل (al mulk al adil), which would fit. He says the gold coin is from Aceh and assigns it: (...) commun au rois d'Atjih pendant la XVIe siècle (...) (usual for the 16th century kings of Aceh.)

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Re: Confirmation of id requested
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2018, 12:26:45 AM »
Thank you Bernard and Peter! Your answers are now published on our forum.