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Offline andyg

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Safavid "be-la'nat" falus dated 988 AH counterstamped " 'Adl Tabriz "
« on: January 22, 2018, 12:13:25 AM »
No ideas on this one - Middle eastern presumably.

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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 07:16:34 PM »
I would be inclined to take the counterstamp for Central Asian. Will have a look in Michiner tomorrow...

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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 10:57:27 PM »
Countermark : " 'adl Tabriz "
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2018, 10:10:45 AM »
Thanks, saro. That helped a lot, but Mitchiner didn't help much. The closest I got was a falus of the Ak Koyunlu with c/m Amul, i.e host like MWI 1803, c/m like MWI 1800 but without the stars, both assigned to Uzun Hasan (857-882 AH). I hope someone has a more precise idea...

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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 02:10:58 PM »
From the few remains of legend of the lower picture, it seems to me that the host coin could be an early safavid copper not far of this one, even of half weight.

the upper line could be "dinar Shahi" and " (u)rdu.."  which is legible at 3 o'clock could be a part of "Urdubad"  ??? , a city located only 100km N of Tabriz...
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 10:30:08 PM »
crikey - both the countermark and the host coin identified (I'd not even though there was enough left to find the host coin) - Now I can see what I'm looking at I think the host is dated 988......

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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 10:40:26 PM »
 :applause: andyg !  I didn't see that ! ...
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2018, 09:41:46 AM »
and now, I see a lion with up tail, in the middle part, on the left between the 2 lines...(its head cut by the counterstamp).
Do you confirm ?
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2018, 12:51:40 PM »
It could be with some imagination :)
It's not much clearer in hand.
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2018, 03:09:55 PM »
After attentive examination of your (very interesting) coin, I think that we can say with some confidence :

- the host coin is a safavid falus struck in 988 AH.
- the mintname should be on the countermark side and isn't legible (Pls forget "Urdubad"..)
- the host coin belongs to the so called "be-la'nat" series.
- the host coin has been re-validated at Tabriz (ctm " 'adl Tabriz ")

From the remaining parts of legends of your coin and with help of other "be-la'nat" coins (legends arrangements may differ according to the mints), I have reconstructed what should most likely be the full text...
" May  the damnation of God be on whoever alters the falus of the Shah"

("be-la'nat بلعنت / damnation)
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2018, 03:12:54 PM »
Great research with interesting outcome !
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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2018, 03:20:08 PM »
Thank you Anthony  :)

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Re: Unknown countermark
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2018, 07:56:21 PM »
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Re: Safavid "be-la'nat" falus dated 988 AH counterstamped " 'Adl Tabriz "
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2019, 02:47:23 PM »
Coming back on this "la'nat" coin dated 988 AH, at time of Shah 'Abbas", I think that it is similar with this one on Zeno, and I again see a lion in a central cartouche... (and below :"zarb 988")
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Re: Safavid "be-la'nat" falus dated 988 AH counterstamped " 'Adl Tabriz "
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2019, 06:27:50 PM »
Hello My Friends
I have always the question "How do you make for to seen all " with one very big imagination i see nothing . Maybee the lion is going to eat ??? (is a joke)
best regards gerard
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