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Offline maudry

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Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« on: December 28, 2016, 10:23:14 PM »
This is another one from the same lot.
It has a diameter of 23mm and a weight of 14.05g:
Mint should be Rasht.

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 11:45:51 PM »
You have here a very nice coin  :perfect: ;
Coins of Rasht show an uncredible varieties of animals : lion, peacock, goose, duck, elephant, colt...
A similar coin with a rabbit and fishes listed by Alaedini has a date struck on the rim (1245); Isn't it a date over "R" of Rasht on yours ?.
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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2016, 09:09:46 AM »
Really nice one, Maudry. This series is not known for its nice strikes, so when you see one with such a carefully made design, it's double happiness.

Peter
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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2016, 11:27:17 AM »
A beauty, 8)  such coins are rarely seen for sale and are now very popular so prices are usually go high
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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2016, 02:22:34 PM »
Thank you for your nice comments on this coin.
I must admit that until recently I did know nothing about this kind of coins.
Then I got this badly described lot in a public auction for very little money which included among other the civic coppers I have posted here which awoke my inquisitiveness.
I am still in the beginning of discovering this kind of coinage and this one is indeed my favorite one.
I will try this evening with the coin in hand to check for a possible date.

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2016, 02:38:49 PM »
On the rim, at 11 o'clock on 2nd picture, I see few rafters ? or is it some artefact ?
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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2016, 10:58:23 PM »
On the rim, at 11 o'clock on 2nd picture, I see few rafters ? or is it some artefact ?
Yes I confirm, the date AH1245 appears 3 times on the rim in relief, not incuse!
Not easy to make pictures of it though  :(

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 04:09:21 PM »
What an attractive coin, and interesting with its date on the rim.

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2017, 10:22:00 PM »
I finally managed to make some pictures of the rim, where the year appears 4 times. I did not include the 4th time because the year there is not well centered and unreadable.

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2017, 11:13:26 PM »
That's very interesting. This coin, was it struck and then the year pressed on the rim, or was it cast? It must have been a lot of work for each coin. What's known about the history of the process?
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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2017, 11:35:49 PM »
From all I can see, this coin has not been cast. But it is difficult to say how the inscription on the rim has been made.

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 12:55:26 AM »
The coin was obviously not struck in a collar. My best guess is that the edge was impressed with some variant of this machine, since it could adapt to several sizes of coins, which would include coins that are not perfectly round. All it takes is a contraption or the power to keep the pressure against the edge of the coin constant. A heavy spring would do the trick.

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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 01:10:19 AM »
Great, very interesting! But... I can imagine that a costly operation like that is profitable for large silver coins, but for small change like this? Or did people use these coins for other purposes?
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Re: Iranian Civic copper of Rasht, rabbit with 5 fishes
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2017, 11:04:04 AM »
As said by Maudry and Peter: this coin was neither obviously cast nor struck in a collar and may be the print on the edge could have been obtained with a kind of this old french machine invented by Castaing (1679) ?
May be this picture from Alaedini's book could help ? it seems to me that the edges have been printed first and then hand struck  ???
(NB : the coin isn't perfectly round)
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