Author Topic: Ilkhans of Persia, ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH); 6 dirham, Damghan mint, AD1335  (Read 5327 times)

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Offline Rangnath

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From the style of some of the letters (Kufic? as in calligraphy of the Seljuqs?), I’m probably incorrect in posting this coin as of the Indian sub-continent. But, I have wrong as many times as I've been right, so, here goes.
I’ve posted two views of the coin in order to facilitate “reading” the calligraphy.  Can anyone point me in a direction to pursue an attribution? 
The coin weighs 8.8 grams.  It is a shame that either the strike is weak or that the coin wore so much  on the lower section.  Perhaps that would have revealed information to make an attribution easier.
richie
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Re: Unknown silver coin
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 03:47:37 PM »
Richie are you sure about the weight? 8.8 g. Could it be 2.8 g.?
It seems to be a coin of the Ilkhans of Persia, but of this type I can't find coins with the weight as you indicated.

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Re: Unknown silver coin
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 07:31:17 PM »
Thanks Oesho. I think you pointed me in the correct direction.
Yes, the coin weighs 8.8 grams and measures 24 mm across. In one web site for Mongolian Coins,
I came across two examples of silver coins matching this one in terms of weight, design and, I think, wording; coin 1 and coin 2.
The coins were 6 dirham denominations!
Of one of those coins, the following was written: ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH/1316-1335AD)
AR 6 dirhams. Jurjan mint. 733AH. (Khani 33 year). The name of Khan is written as BU-SAID in Mongolian script.
A-2217. Type H.

What do you think?
richie
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Re: Ilkhans of Persia; 6 dirham
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 12:23:39 AM »
Congratulations. Great team work! Now which side is up?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Ilkhans of Persia; 6 dirham
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2009, 12:37:28 AM »
Which side is up? You very funny fellow Figleaf!  :)
But congratulations are a bit early.  What do you think Oesho? Could this be a coin of ABU-SAID KHAN?
I find any attempt at "reading" this coin discouraging.
richie

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Re: Ilkhans of Persia; 6 dirham
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 12:47:51 AM »
Congratulation Richie. It is curious that Album #1217 is described as common, but I couldn't locate it in Mitchiner, neither in the Sylloge of the Islamic Coins in the Ashmolean, vol. 9, Iran after the Mongol invasion (Oxford, 2001). After seeing a complete legend, I could read the mint as Damghan (South east of Caspian Sea). After that I could locate an exact similar specimen on ZENO. The next thing is to find out the date, which is written out in the margin on the right image (top image is in the correct position).

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Re: Ilkhans of Persia; 6 dirham
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 01:10:25 AM »
Using Plant page 107 and 108 I got exactly nowhere very slowly.

Peter
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Re: Ilkhans of Persia, ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH); 6 dirham, Damghan mint
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 01:21:26 AM »
Peter, you need to use pag. 34-35 of Plant.

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Re: Ilkhans of Persia, ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH); 6 dirham, Damghan mint
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 01:23:13 AM »
Thanks for looking Peter. 
And thanks to Oesho.  What a beautiful example in Zeno!  Wel, that was fun.
Now I will have to move this thread to its appropriate home.
And where would that be Figleaf?
richie
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Re: Ilkhans of Persia, ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH); 6 dirham, Damghan mint
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 01:29:28 AM »
After some exercise I must conclude that the date is (top) Zarb Fi / (left) Sanah thelath / (bottom) wa thelathin / (right) Ilkhanid. Struck in the year 33 Ilkhanid (era).

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Re: Ilkhans of Persia, ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH); 6 dirham, Damghan mint
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 01:41:49 AM »
That is incredible that you can discern that Oesho!!!!!   
 
Wikipedia set the beginning of the Ilkhanate dynasty as of 1256, with its demise concurrent with the death of Abu-Said in 1335.  But his rule lasted but 20 years, so 33 can not mean a reynal year. What does the year 33 refer?

richie

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Re: Ilkhans of Persia, ABU-SAID KHAN (716-736AH); 6 dirham, Damghan mint
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 02:14:15 AM »
Ilkhan Mahmud Ghazan (AD1295-1304) introduced, on the 1st Rajab of the year 701 (AD1302), a dynastic era called "Khania". It seems that this era is only used on the coins of Abu Said and the year 33 and 34 are the most common. Later dates are rare.
So instead of 33 Ilkhanid (era), as I wrote earlier, it should read 33 al-Khania (era).
Ref.: Hans Herrli: Zahlen, Zifferen, Zeitrechnungen; ein Numismatisches Handbuch (Köln, 1989) p.149.

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Thanks Oesho.  I like the sound of that:  33 al-Khania.  Unfortunately, I didn't have enough room in the subject title for it.
Complicated history, from Ilkhan Mahmud Ghazen to Abu-Said, and a very complicated coin.
Thanks again for all of you research.
richie

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It's fun to take up such challenges.