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Offline RG

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Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« on: October 17, 2016, 08:40:09 PM »
Hi
I bought these two coins during a coin exhibition. Possibly copper. Each one of them weighs 0.3-0.3-0. 31 grams and diameter 6-6-7mm.  Is it possible to redeem some info,? The person who sold told me Sindh.

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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2016, 09:39:45 PM »
These are usually identified as : Amirs of Sind,  Fractional Dirhem, Uncertain Ruler.
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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 10:01:45 PM »
Thanks Sir

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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2016, 09:32:35 AM »
Problem with these is that in the lower picture these look almost die identical. That makes me wonder a bit. Some time ago a lot of fake Sind dirhams were on the market. But these were mostly silver. So i do have some reservations, but apart from that, nice specimen.

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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2016, 04:51:20 PM »
The lower coin has the same die legends both sides which is rather odd
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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2016, 07:49:06 PM »
To clarify the first figure shows one side of two coins and the second four shows the other side of the two coins.
I just bought these out of curiosity as was seeing tiny coins of sind for first time. These were not sold at a high price..was rather cheap I would say $1 apiece . He told it was a small hoard of around 200 coins. I had searched and handpicked from around 50 coins available.I was suspicious about die identical issue but thought will pay that as tuition fee for learning.

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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2017, 03:19:25 AM »
I came here to check this (love this forum). Supposedly the "v v v" type is marked as fake in zeno and other places, has anyone has more light on these? I found some of these but the other ones have more "uncirculated" patina, so add to the fake theory.

Some time ago a lot of fake Sind dirhams were on the market. But these were mostly silver.


Do you have pics of these? I haven't encounter possible silver fakes yet.


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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 10:56:32 AM »
No sorry, i did not collect pictures of these at the time and never bought ones i thought fake.
The easiest distinction for me is that the legends on the fakes looks more like cuneiform script than arab.
 

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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 05:19:21 PM »
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legends on the fakes looks more like cuneiform script than arab
You mean like this one? I'm not sure if it's a posterior issue, imitative or modern


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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 05:22:51 PM »
Yes, this one would generally be considered a suspect modern fake.

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Re: Identification help required..Sindh sultans?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2017, 05:59:58 PM »
Thank you THcoins. I've seen this type in a Marudhar Arts auction. Weights are too low to be habbarid but it may be posterior/imitative (or fake).  (https://www.marudhararts.com/e-auction/auction-no-23/lot-no-189/coins-of-india/sultanate-coins/amirs-of-sind-ah-257-421-/-872-1030-ad-/lot-of-four-copper-and-billon-units-of-amirs-of-sind-.html)

Also I found the exact dies from the first post here in apparent silver: http://www.indiancoins.8m.com/sind/Sind_main.htm