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J. Salmon & Son Ltd.
« on: June 18, 2016, 11:32:14 PM »
J. Salmon was a chain of shops and this was probably part of its loyalty programme. This piece is zinc, 2.54 x 2.54 mm (1 x 1 inch), bracteate. The tokens remind me of the Royal Arsenal tokens. The following denominations are pictured in this thread:
  • penny, 6 sided
  • threepence, 8-sided
  • sixpence, triangular
  • sixpence, triangular, STORE GROCERS &C added to legend
  • ninepence, square
  • shilling, 4-lobed
  • florin, oval
  • halfcrown, round
  • halfcrown, 6-sided, STORES GROCERS,&C added to legend
  • crown, 8-sided
  • half pound, rectangular, rounded top, STORE GROCERS,&C added to legend
  • pound, 8-sided
The 8-sided planchets are rectangular with cut corners. The last two are brass, the others zinc.

The drawing of the shop is a matchbook.

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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 12:58:07 AM »
J. Salmon & Son Ltd. of London. The firm was in the crockery business and appears to have had its 'heyday' in the 1920's and 1930's; it entered financial problems around the start of the Second World War, entered the process of liquidation in 1941, was bought by Timothy Whites & Taylors Ltd. in January 1944, and finally closed in October 1944.
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Antique Pine Plate Rack c.1920 - J.Salmon & Sons Ltd. London. Household Store; Brass plaque to the left hand side "J. SALMON & SONS LTD. LONDON. HOUSEHOLD STORE."
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 07:25:57 AM »
Thank you Malcolm. I have seen that page. The matchbook shows they sold more than crockery. Also, there may well have been more shops as the one on the matchbook looks too small for such an elaborate series of tokens. Unfortunately, the name J. Salmon seems to be common. Google produces hits ranging from 1818 to date, the latest being a printer in Sevenoaks, close enough to London.

I am intrigued by the possibility that all these unsigned, zinc, bracteate tokens were made by the same producer in the London area and I wonder if the high value brass tokens were made elsewhere.

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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 08:36:10 AM »
Only the one J SALMON & SON Ltd. London; the other was J. Salmon Ltd - Britain's oldest post card and calendar publisher.

A household store sold many things; as in an emporium = a large retail store, especially one selling a great variety of articles.
When I mentioned crockery I was repeating what that particular website said.

THE LONDON GAZETTE, 8 SEPTEMBER, 1944
In the Matter of J SALMON & SON Ltd.
(Creditors' Voluntary Winding-up)
NOTICE is hereby given pursuant to Section 244
of the Companies Act 1929, that a General Meeting
of the Members of the above named Company will
be held at the offices of the Liquidator, Mr. Herbert
James Paterson of W H Cork & Co , 19 Eastcheap,
London, E C 3 on Thursday, the 12th day of
October 1944 at 3 o'clock in the afternoon and will
after its termination be followed by a Meeting of
creditors of the above named Company at
3 15 o'clock in the afternoon, both Meetings being
for the purpose of receiving the accounts of the
Liquidator showing his acts and dealings and of
the conduct of the winding-up of the Company
during the preceding year.—Dated this 1st day of
September 1944
 H. J PATERSON, Liquidator

My three are shown two bracteate 1d and 1/- in tinned iron and a 20/- brass consimilar. No makers mark but they all have the appearance of Ralph Neal's' work.
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 08:45:38 AM »
From the Brent museum

Mentions J. Salmon & Son Ltd. Holloway, Retail and Wholesale, has branches in London, suburbs and country.
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 09:05:28 AM »
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I presume their HQ was in Holloway with a two page list of shops. The picture on the cover is great. Perhaps calling J. Salmon a grocer is shortchanging him. A modern-looking supermarket in 1937...

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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 09:10:50 AM »
The other side of the matchbook shows a list of items for sale and I think at the bottom it says 38 branches; too small to be sure!
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2016, 09:15:30 AM »
Over 30 anyway, an impressive commercial empire. No wonder the tokens seem to be common. Your research blew life into my humble token, Malcolm. Thank you.

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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2016, 08:49:53 AM »
Here are some more J SALMON & SON Ltd tokens: 1d, 3d, 6d, 9d and 2/- All are in tinned iron and bracteate.


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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2016, 09:36:32 AM »
To my surprise I found I had a 5/- token after all. Just as well I was outbid on one last week!  ::)

Logically I would expect to find a 10/- piece in this series too.
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2016, 07:39:13 PM »
Excellent, Malcolm. That leaves only the halfcrown and the sixpence with STORE GROCERS to complete the set. I marked the tokens pictured in this thread in the fist post.

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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 06:37:01 AM »
I found an image of the 'other' 6d; below.

And almost a confirmation of the 10/- piece here which must exist.

Described as Brass oval 21x25
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2016, 07:57:10 AM »
Tracked down an image of the 10/- in the sold listings on eBay.

Perhaps different to that in the link above; maybe it exists without the STORE GROCERS ?
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Re: J. Salmon Ltd., grocer
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 10:24:11 AM »
Intriguing. Notice the comma between SON and Ltd.. Now we have the possibility of two series...

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Re: J. Salmon & Son Ltd.
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2016, 10:55:42 AM »
Yes that's possible  :( else why use this extended legend on just two?
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