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Offline AndP36

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Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« on: September 30, 2015, 01:14:15 PM »
Hi collectors,
my name is Andrea, I'm from Italy and this is my first message in this forum.
I'm basically a collector of world coins from XX century and I have these two Tibetan tangkas and I would ask your help, first of all to confirm that they are genuine and not counterfeited, and then to give a correct classification to them, considering that some varieties of this tipology exist.
The first one has a diameter of mm. 28 and a weight of gr. 5,2; the second one has a diameter of mm. 26 and a weight of gr. 4,2.
Thanks in advance to anyone who will bring his opinion in my topic.

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2015, 04:20:44 PM »
Normal coins.
1. Ga-den Tangka, type D (ii), (1896-99), Mint: presumably Dod-pal, KM Y#D13.2, silver.
2. Ga-den Tangka, type F (x), (1918-1922), Mint: Do-de, KM Y#F13.4 (var.), billon.
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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 02:14:08 PM »
Thanks very much Gusev for your kind reply and for these precious infos.
I would take advantage of your knowledge about these coins, to show you an other pice that I identified as 1/2 rupee Y#2.
Its diameter is mm. 24 and its weight is gr. 5,7; but on the edge it exhibits some excrescences of metal that make me uncertain about is authenticity.
What can you say about it?

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 02:48:06 PM »
Looks ok to me. Probably it was hinged omce.

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 06:11:33 PM »
Looks ok to me. Probably it was hinged omce.
I fully agree with Afrasi, good coin.
At the edge looks like remnants of solder.

"omce"??? ???
once !!! :)
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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2015, 06:44:17 PM »
I tried to be earlier than you. :-[   So my fingers were too fast ...  ;)

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 06:22:59 PM »
It was a possibility that I didn't evaluate.
Thanks very much Afrasi and Gusev for your reply!

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 08:19:51 PM »
P.S. Just an other question about the 1/2 rupee: in what years was this issue minted?

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 08:35:49 PM »
P.S. Just an other question about the 1/2 rupee: in what years was this issue minted?
OK.
According to Wang Chengzhi (“Sichuan Zang yang”, “Tibetan Silver coins of Sichuan”, China umismatics, 1983.3, p. 12-18 and plate 54) the Half Rupee coins were struck by the Chengdu mint in 1904, 1905, 1907 and 1912.
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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2016, 07:35:52 PM »
I reopen this old discussion to ask again your help for the correct classification of two more Tibetan coins: this time they are copper sho.
The first one has a diameter of mm. 24,05 and a weight of gr. 6,06; the second one has a diameter of mm. 24,10 and a weight of gr. 5,26.
Thanks in advance to anyone who will bring his opinion in my topic.

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2016, 08:37:29 PM »
KM Y#21.2, BE 15-57 (1923 AD) and BE 15-56 (1922 AD).
Lion look backwards and upwards.
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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2016, 08:41:52 PM »
Weight varies 3.3-7.3.
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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 11:19:19 AM »
 :applause: There's nothing like expertise to make coins come alive.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 01:32:27 PM »
Thanks very much Gusev for your precious indications.
I take advantage of your great knowledge about this coinage to ask your help one more time for other two tangka.
The first one has a diameter of mm. 26,12 and a weight of gr. 4,94; the second one has a diameter of mm. 27,22 and a weight of gr. 4,49.
What are their correct classifications?

:applause: There's nothing like expertise to make coins come alive.

Peter

Totally agree with you ;)

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Re: Help for classification of Tibetan silvers
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2016, 02:37:10 PM »
Good coins

The first:
Type B (iv), Date: (1880-1894), Mint: Dod-pal

The second
Type F (vii), Date: (1912-1918), Mint: Do-de
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