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Offline Figleaf

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Afghanistan, Falus 1245, Ahmadshahi
« on: September 04, 2015, 10:19:11 AM »
The owner at Numismatique believes it may be Timur(id) and provides these numbers:
Weight : 8.52 g
Diam : 20.8 / 21.4 mm
Thickness : 3.5 mm
bronze or copper.

Others point to Afghanistan KM 270. The original thread is here. While the double pointed sword certainly looks Afghan (or Iranian) to me, the strike seems too nice for an Afghan civic copper. Fortunately, the lettering is nice and clear. I read 124 at 6 o'clock on the lower picure.

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Re: Timur or later?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2015, 10:49:22 AM »
Wouldn't it be 1241, that is about 1826 AD? I was also thinking, possibly 1224.
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Re: Timur or later?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2015, 10:52:29 AM »
Afghan for certain & a lovely example  8)   zarb falus ahmad(shahi)  (Kandahar)
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Re: Timur or later?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2015, 11:37:18 AM »
I would say 1245....
on Ahmadshahi's coppers, the last digit of the date is sometimes placed on right, under the "zuad" of "zarb", here we have "5" at 4 o'clock.

A superb afghan coin :perfect:
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Re: Timur or later?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 12:41:39 PM »
And is the shah's name on the coin? That would help.
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Re: Timur or later?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2015, 01:38:41 PM »
No, afghan or iranian civic coppers are always anonymous; they give the mintname and the date in a formula : "zarb falus + city + date",  but never the ruler's name.
here 1245 indicates a coin struck at Qandahar (= Ahmadshahi) in time of Dost Muhammad / Barakzaï dynasty.
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Re: Timur or later?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2015, 04:31:20 PM »
Thank you, gentlemen. For once I am NOT prepared to call it an Afghan civic copper and now it turns out to be one :D :D It is indeed a superb specimen.

Falus 1245, Ahmadshahi. Compare KM 26 and A28 (both later types).

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus 1245, Ahmadshahi
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2015, 11:02:42 PM »
Very great job and many cultural explanations as a gift ! Yes the coin is beautiful and the topic was a real pleasure ! Thank you all !

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus 1245, Ahmadshahi
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2015, 12:20:41 AM »
I was going to wait to post this particular coin, but alas "the cat is out of the bag".  This particular coin came in for identification a few days ago on Numista and I already responded that is was indeed an Afghan Civic Copper.   I subsequently posted the coin on zeno.ru and quickly purchased the coin from the poster  ;D.  So, now this lovely coin is in my collection.  I am just waiting for the package to arrive  :D.

BTW, Valentine does not show this particular coin, but there are numerous types and there really isn't a comprehensive book on this series...

The legend is as follows:

ضرب فلس احمدشاهی ۱۲۴۵ (Falus struck at Ahmadshahi 1245)


A gallery of my coins can been seen at FORVM Ancient Coins

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus 1245, Ahmadshahi
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2015, 10:26:36 AM »
As the Disney jingle puts it: "it's a small world after all". Glad it is in good hands.

Peter
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