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Offline Figleaf

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Re: Riga: pfennig 1515-1521, Haljak 416
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2015, 01:41:54 AM »
There's no such thing as an arch-elector, so I propose archiepiscopus - archbishop. Too many of those to check them all, but our francophone friends have suggested Riga, because of the shield on both sides, one for the bishop, one for the master of the Livonian order. Compare the attached coin (numisbids, Haljak coin auction 21, lot 132) identified as a shilling Hildebrand and Plettenberg Riga s.d.

Obv: ARCHIEPI 2 RIGENS
Rev: MAG ISTR ILIV ONIE

The problem is the W on the other side. There should be an M there. The guys at numismatique say it could stand for W(olter von Plettenberg), which sounds possible, but I have not found a coin with a similar text yet. The length of the arms of the cross underneath the shield is another problem.

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Re: Riga: pfennig 1515-1521, Haljak 416
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2015, 02:08:35 AM »
(There's no arch-elector, but several of the Electors were Archbishops, in fact, every Elector was Arch-something.) We're getting near, I feel. I suppose this coin is from the early 16th century? Or later?
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Re: Riga: pfennig 1515-1521, Haljak 416
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2015, 10:29:26 AM »
The coin I posted as an example would be 1494-1509 (combining the reign years of Wolfgang Plettenburg and Michael Hildebrand).

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Re: Riga: pfennig 1515-1521, Haljak 416
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2015, 07:10:29 PM »
after my wife stops laughing of "wolter von plettenberg" (when saying it at the allo allo way.........)
I think its an good idea for the W

The archie..... is also an nice idea. Seeing everything double know after looking to long in the jewel magnifier.

Going further with these 2 trials.

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Re: Riga: pfennig 1515-1521, Haljak 416
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2015, 07:25:30 PM »
I think I found him
http://sonesgarden.se/Silvergalleriet/21-Sgall-Riga.html

The second coin. the pfennig 1515 - 1521 riga.

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Re: Riga: pfennig 1515-1521, Haljak 416
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2015, 09:14:28 PM »
I agree. For the record: Riga, pfennig 1515-1521 Haljak 416. Jointly in the name of master of the Livonian order Wolter von Plettenberg (1494-1535) and archbishop Jasper Linde (1509-1524). Weight is too low, but within expectations, due to wear and missing edge pieces.

Obv: Plettenberg family arms. WAlter Plettenberg Magister Livicus (ordinis) (only the capital letters are on the coin)
Rev: tree on shield (presumably the arms of Linde) ARCHIEPiscopVS RIGensis

See map to understand the joint issue.

Peter

"Medieval Livonia 1260". Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons - original is here.
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