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Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« on: August 23, 2011, 04:07:02 PM »
Fantasy Coins Mark Fantasy Nations
By Richard Giedroyc, World Coin News
August 22, 2011

Money can be in the form of a coin although a coin may not necessarily be money. Non-circulating legal tender commemoratives are a great example of this. NCLTs are issued by mainstream countries, but NCLTs are sometimes issued in the name of third world countries by mints that obtain the rights to strike coins in their name, the mint making its profits from the collecting public to whom the product is sold. This is why we get such strange designs on some third world coins as dinosaurs or racing cars.

Then there are the so-called nations in whose name coins are issued, nations that may not be visible at high tide, or that may simply be a deserted oil platform somewhere in the ocean, or a farm that has declared its independence primarily so it can issue its own stamps and coins for a profit.

Now let’s go one step further. How do you explain issues of such places as Belnheim, Palaliku, and Varhus that don’t exist at all other than through their coinage? Once again what is a coin and what is money may prove to be two different things.

Belnheim, Palaliku, and Varhus, as well as a host of other places none of us have ever heard of, actually exist not only through these numismatic artifacts, but through fantasy social, political, and economic history developed by Bill Turner of Cypress, Texas, whose privately owned Blue Waters Mint issues these coins. Talk about something that might confuse a historical researcher or archaeologist sometime into the future.

According to a commentary appearing in the latest fixed price list catalog of world coin dealer Joel Anderson in Grover Beach, Calif., “William Turner of the Blue Water’s Mint has created a series of wonderful, reasonably priced, hand-struck, low mintage coins for places which do not actually exist. Even though the island may not actually exist, he has created a social, political, and economic history for these places based on histories of nearby areas.”

According to the Blue Waters Mint website, “We produce a brochure about the place the coin represents so you can get a good feel for the land, its people and lifestyle. We provide details on the monetary system and the releases.”

“Blue Waters Mint coins are handmade,” the website proclaims. “We are very fortunate that a very respected and talented artist etches our designs by hand. We are fortunate to have talented mint masters than utilize manual screw presses to mint our coins by hand, one at a time, examining each piece for quality and specs. The result is we mint in very small numbers, usually 100 of each coin.” Since the coins are struck by hand rather than by machine the mint website acknowledges, “There are minor differences in every coin because they are minted one by one.”

Although few of us who don’t read Unusual World Coins have heard of the many Blue Waters Mint issues, the company has been around since 2004. Among its early products are coins struck in the name of Ile Crescent, Viinamarisaar, Klef Raraha, and The Most Serene Republic of Excelsior.

As long as you don’t plan to visit Ile Crescent or Varhus to spend your money, I don’t see any problems for collectors interested in these fantasy issues. The problem that may be ahead is for some historical researcher of the future who tries to identify these places.

Turner is quoted on the mint website as saying, “I am thrilled to have been called one of the most prolific fantasy coin makers in the world today.” I don’t anticipate being around to hear it, but let’s see what some future archaeologist has to say about that.

Source: Numismaster
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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 11:38:52 PM »
While I do not collect such pieces, some of them are quite nicely designed. Frankly, I prefer those - from non-existing countries - over pieces that pretend to be trial pieces "from" Cabinda or Kurdistan. Plus, the website www.bluewatersmint.com has some well written "info pages" about those non-nations. :)

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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 12:40:29 AM »
Seen this one on WoC but I don't know where to look for it.  Kurdistan...10 Dinar and of course not a circulating coin.  Is there even a real country named Kurdistan?  I decided to add it to my collection anyway since it cost me under $5 US.

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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 01:52:48 AM »
It is a big (about 38mm) coin, very shiny...might be stainless steel for all I know and looks a bit stark.
Impulse buy...but it was fun.
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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 05:43:34 PM »
Is there even a real country named Kurdistan?

No! Most Kurds live in SE Turkey, NW Iraq and W Iran, some smaller parts in NE Syria and even in SW Armenia and SW Azerbaijan.
1919 (Paris Peace Conference) and 1920 (Treaty of Sevres) there were plans for a state of Kurdistan.
1923 - 1929 exists "Red Kurdistan" an autonomous Kurdish province in the Azerbaijan SSR.
1946 there was a short living "Kurdish Democatic Republic of Mahabad" on Persian territory, but not fully identical to the actual Iranic province of Kurdistan.

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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 06:51:05 PM »
The Kurds are the world's largest nation without their own state.

In Europe, a lot of ethnic Albanians live outside Albania proper, e.g. Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece.

There's a reasonable amount of ethnic Hungarians in places like Serbia, Slovakia and Romania, but not as many as non-Albanian Albanians elsewhere. History didn't find it possible to draw the map properly in all cases. Just look at Texas, which used to be part of Mexico!

A nation is a group with a shared language and culture, usually occupying a contiguous land area.
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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 01:50:19 AM »
OK, that rules Canada and Switzerland out, maybe even the US, and probably a few others too. ;) And whether Kurdish is a language ... I learned that it is rather a collective term for several languages or dialects. Sure, that may partly be due to the fact that there is no country named Kurdistan. Which brings us back to the coin-or-not question. Well, those are medals or private patterns, and made by the Hoffman Mint in the US as far as I know. So they should not be in the collection of somebody who wants nothing but legal tender pieces. Everybody else can of course collect them ...

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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 02:03:35 AM »
In general I collect circulation coins that are in general legal tender or were.
However, I do not have a coin rule I will not break  :)

So the entire width and breadth of numismatics throughout the entire scope of time are fair game for me.
But I do pick and choose.
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So they should not be in the collection of somebody who wants nothing but legal tender pieces. Everybody else can of course collect them ...

Christian

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Re: Blue Waters Mint + Kurdistan fantasy set
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2011, 09:08:30 PM »
Whoever made the "coins" has produced an embarrassing mistake by misspelling the country's name
(Arabic spelling instead of Kurdish, at a time when Kurds were trying to secede from the Arab dominated
Iraq). Unforgivable...

The 10 dinar depicted has it already corrected.

 

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