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Umayyad, 65-132, AE fals, Syria and Palestine Baysan mint
« on: January 09, 2015, 05:55:36 PM »
I've had no luck identifying this one, perhaps there is not enough info in the legend ,    3.35g


I think I read 'rasul allah on left image
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 05:57:53 PM »
Probably Umayyad based on the looks of it. 
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 06:03:48 PM »
Probably Umayyad based on the looks of it.

looks quite ancient, also slightly concave flan
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 06:22:16 PM »
Islamic coins with these types of inscriptions were issued after the post-reform period of the Umayyad.  So, it can't be prior to the Umayyad.  However, there is a possibility for it to be Abbassid.  I, personally, don't think it is Abbassid.  The marginal legend is typically the mint.  Compare to an earlier coin that I posted.  The main legends are:


لا إله إلا الله وحده
محمد رسول الله


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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2015, 06:43:56 PM »
I can see محمد رسول الله  on my coin (Muhammad is the Messenger of God)
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 07:33:06 PM »
There is definitely something different about the other legend and I can't seem to find it in Walker.  There are so many varieties for these coins and Walker is extremely dated for these coins  :-\.  But the hunt continues....
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 08:02:49 PM »
Harran Mint (al-Jazirah)?  The legend is the same.  Here is the category in Zeno.ru.  Below is a coin from the Fitzwilliam Museum:


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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2015, 08:53:43 PM »
Well done Ram, looks to be the type, 8) I'll add it to my post on zeno
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 09:03:44 PM »
Thanks Vic  :).  Unfortunately, the coin is similar, but not exact.  There seems to be a square border around your left image, but I can not find an exact match in Walker.  I suspect it is one of the newer? coins that have been found since Walker...
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2015, 09:59:20 PM »
Thanks Vic  :).  Unfortunately, the coin is similar, but not exact.  There seems to be a square border around your left image, but I can not find an exact match in Walker.  I suspect it is one of the newer? coins that have been found since Walker...

You mean the coin is so rare it's not catalogued  :D  I've updated my zeno post in the unidentified Islamic section to see if anyone adds to it
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 10:53:09 PM »
This is from Tiberias, very similar to Walker 898/ SNAT IVa 339-344: the 'square frame' at the right on the obverse is a palm tree (with fairly short leaves).

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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2015, 11:07:51 PM »
This is from Tiberias, very similar to Walker 898/ SNAT IVa 339-344: the 'square frame' at the right on the obverse is a palm tree (with fairly short leaves).

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Thank You Alan, I can see the tree now you have pointed it out, I'll look it up on zeno
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2015, 11:15:44 PM »
This is from Tiberias, very similar to Walker 898/ SNAT IVa 339-344: the 'square frame' at the right on the obverse is a palm tree (with fairly short leaves).

Alan

Yes!!  I see it now.  This is like playing "Where's Waldo".   Thanks Alan.
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2015, 11:23:54 AM »
Alex on zeno has added :

More like a Baisan
SNAT Palastina 272-273.
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Re: Islamic copper coin to identify
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2015, 04:07:01 PM »
more details,( if correct) coin belongs under  Umayyad, 65-132 AE fals Syria and Palestine ▼ Baysan

There are only a couple of examples on zeno but extremely poor compared to mine.
Alex has added a comment to a similar coin: This coin Baysan SNAT IVa 272-273 requires(demands) an additional explanation.
I have named it fals, but on it instead of fals is written dinar.
Bism (Allah zariba) hada al di(nar) bi Baysan.
On the image Zeno 43787 one word dinar is read " in hands " only.
In a good readable kind this type of coins meets very seldom.
In a bad kind it is difficult for distinguishing from Tabariya SNAT IVa 341-342, which meet too not frequently..
But quantity of stamps it is not enough. It helps to define(determine) coins and in bad safety.
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