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Iran,Falus, Teheran ? AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« on: October 05, 2014, 11:49:20 AM »
Unfortunately this large Falus is weakly struck so the Lion attacking the Stag is barely visible, just it's mouth & front legs :'(
Not sure if it's in KM but I found it in Valentine & only then realised there was a Lion attacking the other animal
18.75g
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2014, 02:06:45 PM »
Clever id, cap'n. It looks like the separation character moved up one line, but otherwise, that's it. With the drawing (I love sketches) to guide the eye, I find that the lion is pretty complete - except for its tail. Thinking of Tam o'Shanter's horse, Meg... :)

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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 10:04:30 AM »
A nice variety attributed from its design : one century later we still thank Mr Valentine for his marvellous work.

Did somebody has ever seen or obtained this new book "Copper coins of Iran" ?
 http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,20036.0html.html
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2014, 11:13:40 AM »
Maybe a call to the Institut du monde Arabe in Paris could be worth a try?

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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2014, 01:00:18 PM »
Not sure now it's a civic copper of Teheran? that could be the Mitchiner n° 2196 for Kirmanshahan mint, with exactly the same design.
M.Mitchiner gives 1243 for the date  ??? , as it isn't legible on the picture, that could be better 1143 / weight: 18,2g


Maybe a call to the Institut du monde Arabe in Paris could be worth a try?
I'll try..
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2014, 01:06:54 PM »
Not sure now it's a civic copper of Teheran? that could be the Mitchiner n° 2196 for Kirmanshahan mint, with exactly the same design.
M.Mitchiner gives 1243 for the date  ??? , as it isn't legible on the picture, that could be better 1143 / weight: 18,2g

I'll try..

I don't have Mitchener, I can see a faint trace of the mint under certain light , can you scan the photo of the Mitchener coin if you get a chance so I can see if it looks likely for Kirmanshahan?
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2014, 04:28:08 PM »
Coin is just in "F" grade + a picture of a dark picture from the book.. I am afraid that couldn't be of great help  :-\
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014, 04:56:49 PM »
Coin is just in "F" grade + a picture of a dark picture from the book.. I am afraid that couldn't be of great help  :-\

I thought my coin was bad so maybe not so bad after all, :D  unfortunately most of the mint on that coin is also missing so i still can't be sure of the mint of mine, nevertheless thanks for the trouble taken to scan the photo  8)
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2014, 05:53:50 PM »
On the Mitchiner's coin, only a small part of the mintname is legible.
At bottom, the word falus gives the centrage of the die and I think that there is no room on right upper side for "Kar" of "Karmanshahan" and so "Ma" could be the real beginning of the mintname :" Mazandaran" would well fit...

You are lucky : one coin with 3 mintnames  ::)
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2014, 08:49:33 PM »
I have found another coin of Mazandaran mint in better grade...
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2014, 04:08:03 PM »
Maybe a call to the Institut du monde Arabe in Paris could be worth a try?

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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2014, 04:59:16 PM »
Maybe a call to the Institut du monde Arabe in Paris could be worth a try?

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Iran is Persia.
Persians are quite different from Arabs in every respect except religion, to some extent.
Try some one in Iran Embassy to France.

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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2014, 05:30:19 PM »
I have found another coin of Mazandaran mint in better grade...

Quite bizarre replication of a Lion, look more like a Hippo  :D
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2014, 05:36:28 PM »
Iran is Persia.
Persians are quite different from Arabs in every respect except religion, to some extent.
Try some one in Iran Embassy to France.
Yes of course ! but there is a bookshop attached to this Institute, specialized in arab world culture with some extents to wider oriental topics, it was just to try...
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Re: Iran,Falus, Teheran, AH 1143, Lion & Stag
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2014, 05:44:00 PM »
Quite bizarre replication of a Lion, look more like a Hippo  :D
:D I am sad to learn that you don't like my lion  :'(   
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