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Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« on: August 18, 2014, 09:12:22 PM »
At least in my old KM (ANA Centennial Edition) these three coins are not described quite correctly.

I know only one variant (KM # 23.2) with "Maqbul" below the tughra. Additionally this is the oldest one and therefor the given number makes not much sense. Better would be # 23!

The other two variants have "Umla Jadida" below the tughra:

The older one (KM # 23.1) with a border of crescents, stars and circles. This one I would call better # 24.1!

The second one with "Umla Jadida" (KM # 24) has a border of crescents only. This one would be # 24.2 to me!

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 10:55:23 PM »
Has any body one of these coins and can show some more pictures? This would allow more studies.

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 11:21:44 PM »
your wish is my command... or something like that.
I only have one that is 1312 though!
left is 1312/12 right 1311/11 ?
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 11:42:59 PM »
I have a couple of early pieces.

I know little about them so I leave you to add the dates.
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 01:07:58 AM »
 :D

Mal's first piece is KM # 24, the third variant, in a wonderful condition. Thanks for showing!
The second coin is 20 Piastres 1310/8 with spears on both sides of the coin (KM # 16) and very scarce. I see it the first time! It is one of the few coins of Omdurman I miss in my collection.

Andy's coins are pieces of 20 Piastres, too. The piece with 1312/12 is KM # 26. The piece with 1311/11 (KM # 14) is the third of three variants I know of this date. The "11" being wide left, in the middle or wide right above "sanat".

More when I am home again in September!
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 02:28:10 AM »
I have 25 of the 20 paistres of various types (I'm fascinated by the variation in silver content and pick them up whenever I can) but only one of the smaller denominations, which I have identified as a 5 piastres, KM 5.1 in my old Krause.

My favourites of the 20 piastres are these two. The sceond is quite good silver (c.40%?) but the engraving and strike are so bad I'm sure it is a contemporary forgery.

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 08:42:39 AM »
I would like to see your 5-Piastres, too!

The sceond is quite good silver (c.40%?) but the engraving and strike are so bad I'm sure it is a contemporary forgery.

I think the borders  between official strikes and forgeries are unsharp in those days in that country.
Here is the mint:

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 08:47:54 AM »
Shown below are pieces of 1 Piastre and 2 Piastres. Of the 2 Piastres I saw a cast fake made of copper in the net once.

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 02:15:06 PM »
Sorry Afrasi, I should have made it clearer: the 5 piastres is the top picture I posted (5.08 gm, 23 mm).

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 09:36:07 PM »
Not sooo bad, my piece is even worse.  ;D

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2019, 12:07:05 AM »
here a different 2½ piastres,
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2019, 12:13:51 AM »
these are KM#2 - the Piastre and date apparently to 1910.
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2019, 08:09:44 AM »
These coins of Darfur are fascinating. Two of your coins have readable dates:

The piece at the top Right is dated 1327/71. The 71 is probably neither an error for 17, nor giving the year of minting the coin, but is referring to the accession date of Ali Dinars grandfather Muhammad Husain. This was probably done to legitimate Ali Dinar's rulership.

The piece down left is dated 1327/17. The 17 referring to Ali Dinar's accession.

The year 1327 is probably the actual minting year.

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2019, 08:22:03 AM »
FWIW, 1327 is the official accession date of Mehmet V and figures on many Ottoman and related coins.

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