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Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« on: August 18, 2014, 09:12:22 PM »
At least in my old KM (ANA Centennial Edition) these three coins are not described quite correctly.

I know only one variant (KM # 23.2) with "Maqbul" below the tughra. Additionally this is the oldest one and therefor the given number makes not much sense. Better would be # 23!

The other two variants have "Umla Jadida" below the tughra:

The older one (KM # 23.1) with a border of crescents, stars and circles. This one I would call better # 24.1!

The second one with "Umla Jadida" (KM # 24) has a border of crescents only. This one would be # 24.2 to me!

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 10:55:23 PM »
Has any body one of these coins and can show some more pictures? This would allow more studies.

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 11:21:44 PM »
your wish is my command... or something like that.
I only have one that is 1312 though!
left is 1312/12 right 1311/11 ?
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 11:42:59 PM »
I have a couple of early pieces.

I know little about them so I leave you to add the dates.
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 01:07:58 AM »
 :D

Mal's first piece is KM # 24, the third variant, in a wonderful condition. Thanks for showing!
The second coin is 20 Piastres 1310/8 with spears on both sides of the coin (KM # 16) and very scarce. I see it the first time! It is one of the few coins of Omdurman I miss in my collection.

Andy's coins are pieces of 20 Piastres, too. The piece with 1312/12 is KM # 26. The piece with 1311/11 (KM # 14) is the third of three variants I know of this date. The "11" being wide left, in the middle or wide right above "sanat".

More when I am home again in September!
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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 02:28:10 AM »
I have 25 of the 20 paistres of various types (I'm fascinated by the variation in silver content and pick them up whenever I can) but only one of the smaller denominations, which I have identified as a 5 piastres, KM 5.1 in my old Krause.

My favourites of the 20 piastres are these two. The sceond is quite good silver (c.40%?) but the engraving and strike are so bad I'm sure it is a contemporary forgery.

Alan

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 08:42:39 AM »
I would like to see your 5-Piastres, too!

The sceond is quite good silver (c.40%?) but the engraving and strike are so bad I'm sure it is a contemporary forgery.

I think the borders  between official strikes and forgeries are unsharp in those days in that country.
Here is the mint:

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 08:47:54 AM »
Shown below are pieces of 1 Piastre and 2 Piastres. Of the 2 Piastres I saw a cast fake made of copper in the net once.

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 02:15:06 PM »
Sorry Afrasi, I should have made it clearer: the 5 piastres is the top picture I posted (5.08 gm, 23 mm).

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Re: Sudan 2 1/2 Piastres 1312 - 3 Different Coins
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 09:36:07 PM »
Not sooo bad, my piece is even worse.  ;D