Author Topic: Makers marks on French tokens  (Read 10223 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2016, 12:12:29 PM »
Here is the T&Cie mark with pansy, I don't think this one could be called a four leaf clover.

That was the description of the object on the jeton, not the makers mark.
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7 013
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2016, 12:19:26 PM »
Now I see.   ::)
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2016, 12:35:58 PM »
Now I see.   ::)

Yes, I didn't make that very clear in the list above  :-[
Where did the 'AL' come from?
I have some new info for the list above, soon to be added.....
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7 013
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2016, 12:56:47 PM »
I can't remember now I had thought it was on a consommer tokens but could not find it when I searched.

I did come across L . CHÉRON on another consommer whilst looking for it.  ::)
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2016, 01:20:34 PM »
Splendid I shall add those in when I can get on my machine again :-\
I did find this http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19217.html
CHÉRON ROYER
I think 50? rue des archives from a 1935 badge
Might be some more info here:
http://dlezin.free.fr/pages_du_site/Essai_recensement_fabricants_insignes.htm
It says 90?  rue des archives
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2016, 04:02:25 PM »
BARLET
BARLET GRAVEUR CHAMBON St Etienne, Cie. des Chemins de Fer a Voie Etroite (p412)
BARLET CHAMBON Fraisse, Café Ferraton (not listed)

BARTHÉLÉMY F.
Besançon, Forges de Franche-Comté Pain (p48)

BORY J. 21 Rue du Temple, Paris [1912]
BORY MOREAU & Cie still at this address
Annonay (Ardèche) – Union commerciale et industrielle (p26)

CARTAUX, Francis. 6, Cité Dupetit-Thouars, Paris [1899]
Triangle containing Barrel above FC
Triangle containing round dot above FC
FC monogram - FROM 5 FRANCS 1897 HERCULE SHELL
CARTAUX
CARTAUX PARIS
CARTAUX (mirrored) 10 centimes slot machine token

CASUT E.
Le Havre, 1887 Exposition Maritime Internationale (p135)

F. CHER St Etienne
CHER ST ETIENNE La Ricamarie, Café Bourbon au Brûlé (p373)
F. CHER ST ETIENNE St Etienne, Cafe Durieux (p403)

L. CHÉRON
L. CHERON
CHERON ROYER 90 Rue des Archives
See Lille, Essor L'  (p159)

DELPY & THIERVOZ
Brive-la-Gaillarde, 14eme Cercle des Sous-Ofiiciers (p61)

A. (Adolphe) DUSEAUX & Cie 22 Rue Réamur, Paris  29 Rue pastourelle, Paris [1908]
A. DUSEAUX. PARIS
DUSEAUX (mintmark in triangle) PARIS
A.D above & Cie in triangle
Dot above A D in triangle
Société Coopérative des Agents de la Cie P.L.M, Chambery (p78)
A. DUSEAUX & Cie  Tronville, Economat de Tronville (p464)
http://www.duseaux.com/history

FAURE A LA RICAMARIE
Jonzac, Hotel Giraudet (p149)

FERDIÈRE
FERDIÈRE Unieux, Cafe Plevy (p467)

FISCH & Cie 40-42 Rue Antoine Dansaert, Bruxelles [1910-1927]
Maison Antoine Fisch founded in 1853
FISCH PAUL Brussels, Belgium
F & backward P monogram in inverted triangle

FOURNAT
St Etienne, Café Mourrellon (p408)

GUERIN J.
J. GUERIN
Marseille, Chambre de Commerce 1916 (p198)

HADIN
HADIN A PARIS
Dijon, La Bourguignonne (p102)

HATOT LÉON (NB Not Hatol as shown in Ciani)
Did the designs for the 1917 Besançon 5 & 10 centimes

JOURDE CHARLES
CHJ in lozenge

JULIARE L. 12 Quai du Louvre, Paris
Musee du Louvre, Cantine de Famille (p323)

KATZ E. 41 Boulevard Voltaire [1908] 39 Rue des Trois-Bornes, Paris [1928-1932]  12 Rue de Crussol, Paris [1937]
KATZ
E. KATZ
E. KATZ PARIS

LECLERE Paul 129, Rue de Turenne, Paris [1910-1916]
Took over from ROBINEAU FILS
"P" [lightning] "L"

MAREY Charles, Charles Gustave de Marey (1878 - 1967)
CH MAREY A PARIS
Limoges, Tramways Electrique 30.1b (p162)

MARLET J.M
Firminy, Café Mialon Chazeau (p114)

MASSONNET
Jura, Dépot de Mendicité (p150)

A. MAYEUR
Bethune, Ville de Bethune [1916] (p48)

NOEL & Cie
No marks that I can see, but noted in Elie as local producers of Grenoble 40.1-45.5 (p129)

PAUL FILS MARSEILLE
Marseille, S.J. (p205)

PICHON Fils 28 Rue Gutenberg, Rue des Forges St Etienne [1925] 3 & 12 Rue des Forges [1951]
PICHON ST ETIENNE
A. PICHON ST ETIENNE
Andrezieux-Boutheon, Hotel Charpin  (p24) (NB not PIGNON)
Lorette, Lavoir Jaboulay (p165)

PIN L. 34 Boulevard Mac-Mahon, Nice
Emergency money around the Nice area
PIN L. graveur 10c advertising piece (p241)

ROBINEAU FILS 129, Rue de Turenne, Paris
1853 French Award Medal for Marriage of Napoleon III & Eugenie
1855 Visit of Victoria and Albert to Paris [101 Rue de Saint-Louis]

SCHEURER
? SCHEURER Thann, Ville de Thann (p453)

THEVENON & CIE RUE MONTMORENCY 39, Paris [1900-1923]
Known signatures & example
THEVENON & C. C: 0.30 / (four leafed clover) / A CONSOMMER / THEVENON & C.
THEVENON & CO  C: DISTRIBUTEURS / AUTOMATIQUES / LE DENTU / THEVENON & CO
THEVENON  O: SOCIETE GENERALE DES COMPTEURS DE VOITURES. / TELETAX  R: TX / THEVENON
THEVENON PARIS O: A T V (monogram) / THEVENON PARIS  R: SOC ARD TRAM ELEC / 5
THEVENON ST ETIENNE St Etienne, Café Sabatier (p409)
T & CIE [in triangle reversed, with pansy]  O: SOCIETE GENERALE DES COMPTEURS DE VOITURES. / TELEPHONOTAX  R: TX / (makers mark)
T & CIE [in triangle, with pansy]
http://www.thevenonsa.com/

UNY A GERGY
http://www.uny.fr/
Châlon-sur-Saône & Saône-et-Loire emergency money
UNY DIE Castres, H.Vialou (p72)

VOLANT
Mainly slot machine tokens

WURDEN C. Bruxelles (c1873)

YENCESSE Ovide
O.YENCESSE
Dijon Chambre de Commerce (p102)

ZIMBERLIN
HZ

The dates for the addresses are for periods confirmed.
Page references: Jetons Monnaies Militaires Francais et Coloniaux 1800-2000 Elie ACJM 2003 [Metropolitan France & Alsace scanned]
« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 12:35:54 PM by redwine »
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 07:55:36 PM »
Unknowns!

AL (Abel Lafleur [1875 – 1953] could be a candidate?)
CH  (Hadin could be a candidate?)
GD (Georges Dupré [1869-1909] could be a candidate?)
HL
N&K (Sylvain Kinsburger [1855 – 1935] could be the K?)
Q
« Last Edit: September 24, 2016, 08:33:16 AM by redwine »
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7 013
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2016, 01:19:59 AM »
Looking good, usually doubtful of some of Numista's attributions ...although now I believe they sometimes quote my site!  ::) (saved an image)

The other link you give won't open - too slow - perhaps France only?  ???

Splendid I shall add those in when I can get on my machine again :-\
I did find this http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19217.html
CHÉRON ROYER
I think 50? rue des archives from a 1935 badge
Might be some more info here:
http://dlezin.free.fr/pages_du_site/Essai_recensement_fabricants_insignes.htm
It says 90?  rue des archives
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7 013
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2016, 01:31:46 AM »
This one quotes CHERON-ROYER PARIS 90 rue des archives
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2016, 06:53:30 AM »
Nice to have that confirmed, thanks Mal  ;D

That French site is a list of medal and badge/pin producers.
These are too:
http://www.la-ligne-maginot.com/ajax/fab.php?id=47
http://bibleair.free.fr/2.FABRICANTS/FABRICANTS/
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2016, 12:26:50 PM »
A Duseaux marks on tokens
« Last Edit: September 23, 2016, 04:24:19 AM by redwine »
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7 013
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2016, 12:51:57 PM »
I can't open either of the free.fr/pages  ::) I think I have had this problem before with these type of address. I tried a proxy but this also said timed out.
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7 013
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2016, 01:22:20 AM »
A Duseaux marks on tokens

I have this one on a zinc Ville de Castelnaudary 25c.
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2016, 04:24:50 AM »
I have this one on a zinc Ville de Castelnaudary 25c.
Thanks Mal, added above  ;D
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Offline redwine

  • liaison officer
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 372
  • Too old to care.
Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2016, 05:02:30 AM »
I spotted this unsold piece on delcampe  8)
Might help with the timeframe for Q
I'm thinking it's a jewellers shop called 'Q'  ???

No luck here
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/marque_fr?ACTION=RETOUR&USRNAME=nobody&USRPWD=4%24%2534P
« Last Edit: September 23, 2016, 05:38:20 AM by redwine »
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.