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Offline andyg

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Ottoman, Murad III, silver d h (?)
« on: July 28, 2014, 12:17:09 AM »
3.83g 15mm

But might not be enough left to get anywhere with.
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Re: coin 15
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 10:58:25 AM »
I have seen that carpet beater before. My best guess is Iran/Afghanistan.

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Re: coin 15
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 12:07:18 PM »
Yes Peter! a carpet beater indeed but may be for a turkish carpet ? ;D
This design is found on some ottoman's coins (often on provincial copper issues :Egypt, Tripoli ..)
I think that we have at top : "sultan Mur(ad)" ? (Murad I, II, II ??)
according to the weight, that could be a 4 akce?

All needs to be confirm, of course...
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Re: coin 15
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2014, 01:59:15 PM »
Here's another option. It's not this coin, but it may inform your searches. The coin is described as "Golden horde, Janybek Khan Silver Dang Dirham Saray mint 748 AH". No Murad in sight...

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Re: coin 15
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2014, 05:51:01 PM »
I agree with you, Peter, the Golden Horde could be the good place to look for this coin (half dirhem?), very similar ornaments exist on coins,  and why not Murad Khan ?... ;)
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Re: coin 15
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 11:38:55 AM »
I come back to my first view....with a little work on the shadow legend, I'am quite certain that it's a coin of the Ottoman sultan Murad III.
From this sketch, dear Andyg, with the coin in hands did you confirm my reading? "Sultan Murad bin Shah Selim..."
On the other face, only the word " Allah" is legible at bottom (with rotation 120 to right)

The coin denomination is still to find ..
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Re: coin 15
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2014, 01:57:56 PM »
Yet another great and very helpful reconstruction, saro. According to the weight, it should be a d h. The mint is something else again. I didn't find the carpet beater at all on zeno. The attached coin (Zeno #54684), from Aleppo, is the closest I got.

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Re: coin 15
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014, 03:32:41 PM »
No more success from me to find this design on silver coins, but for coppers we have Valentine n92 p. 28 (Selim II)  and n47 & 48 p.53 (Mahmud II / Tripoli) /from "Copper coins of Muhammadan states"
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Re: coin 15
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2014, 07:22:50 PM »
Thanks for your hard work Saro, yes I agree the writing matches your drawing.
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