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Sudan: 20 dinar, km116.1 and 116.2
« on: July 02, 2014, 06:59:32 PM »
Hi,

caused by a question by a fellow collector we managed to find the following, helped as well by this website: http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-sud.htm written by Paul Baker, I think.

Unfortunately I don't have a 1999 coin with 64 beads, but Paul confirms he found some (from 2003 and unwards).

I have the four 2003 coins in my collection and they all have 64 beads (only the 5, 10 (2 versions) and 50 dinars were officially minted in 2003).

The proper way of documenting the 20 dinar km116.x is:

km116.1 from 1996-ah1416 does NOT exist, as said in SCWC 8)

km116.1 with 72 beads was minted in 1999-ah1419  with this date<:D

km116.2 with 64 beads was minted in 2003-ah1424, but still with the 1999-ah1419 date :D

Unfortunately I don't have Schoen's catalog, so I cannot see, if he is doing better than the SCWC! Can any of you check on that?

Thanks
Ole

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If you're interested in coin variants please find some English documentation here:
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Re: Sudan: 20 dinar, km116.1 and 116.2
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 08:16:46 PM »
Schön shows these variants correct, but there are some more Sudanese coins showing variants.
I guess KM # 116.2 is a mule of KM # 116.1 and KM # 121.

Two years ago I showed some Sudan variants at the Austrian forum - in German language. Until now I was too lazy to translate in English to show it here ...  :-[

http://www.numismatik-cafe.at/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4475&p=43972#p43972
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Re: Sudan: 20 dinar, km116.1 and 116.2
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 10:11:52 PM »
Afrasi,

Deutsch ist ohne Probleme fuer mich, als Daene ist es einfach zu verstehen. Ich habe auch die 2003 10 Dirham Varianten.

You might be right about the mule, but it's kind of contradicted, since both sides of the 20 Dirham (probably minted in 2003) has 64 beads on BOTH sides. If a mule it should be 72 on one side and 64 on the other, right?

Is it possible for you to show me exactly, what Schoen says to the 20 Dinar coin? Thanks.

Schoene Gruesse aus Paris
Ole
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If you're interested in coin variants please find some English documentation here:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
and in French on Michel's site (the presentations are not the same):
http://monnaiesetvarietes.esy.es/

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Re: Sudan: 20 dinar, km116.1 and 116.2
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 11:32:48 PM »
Hello Ole!

Reading Danish is also no problem to me, but understanding spoken Danish is nearly impossible to me ...  :-[  ;)

I don't see the contradiction, as my piece with the small bank building (shown at the Numismatik-Cafe) HAS 64 dots around the building and 72 dots around the denomination.
Do you have a piece with small bank building and 64 dots on both sides? This would be a 3rd variant.

About Schön: He is member in this forum. Perhaps he will tell you himself. If not I will do this later, as I have much work in these days ...

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Re: Sudan: 20 dinar, km116.1 and 116.2
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 12:48:44 PM »
Hi,

thanks for the explanation, yes, I agree it's a mule, I thought you had 64 beads on both sides. Unfortunately I don't have the 64/72 variant and neither a 64/64 (if it exists, which I doubt)!

Yes, Danish is a very difficult language to understand and speak.

Ole
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If you're interested in coin variants please find some English documentation here:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
and in French on Michel's site (the presentations are not the same):
http://monnaiesetvarietes.esy.es/