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Offline Figleaf

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Paper money, yet not banknotes
« on: January 02, 2009, 02:58:45 PM »
Inspired by this thread, I thought I'd post some paper "coins". Here is the French contribution, a series of 5 and 10 centimes tokens issued by the Crédit Lyonnais, a bank that still existed when I last checked. Small change was practically impossible to get in France in the years following the first world war, due to a silly policy that held that Germany was to compensate all war damage. Tokens filled the void. CL encased stamps so their customers wouldn't lose a centime when the emergency was over and took the opportunity to advertise themselves and a national loan at 6%. The cases are the same, only the stamps differ.

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 04:10:42 PM »
Here is the Danish contribution. Same period, same idea, except that the cases advertise tobacco.

Peter
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 04:26:48 PM »
The idea was simplified when at the outbreak of the second world war, Denmark found itself without 1 øre pieces. The frames were replaced by a simple cellophane wrap. The ads are widely different, from banks (like this one), radios and suits to newspapers, stamp shops and quite a few brands of rye bread. By contrast, colours were restricted to black, purplish blue, green, dark red, orange and yellow. This is coloured money that did circulate.

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 04:46:21 PM »
Spain's fascists kept it old style during the civil war. No ads either.

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 05:00:23 PM »
Not sure if this one was issued by their opponents, but maybe so. Don Quijote would not be a nationalist hero. The ad is for a Barcelona shoe shop.

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 07:22:35 PM »
And in about 1916, Russia printed stamps on cardboard to enable them to circulate without getting crumpled - they printed some text on what would normally have been the adhesive side explaining their monetary purpose, if I remember correctly.  I have a set somewhere - will see if I can find it.

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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 10:41:23 PM »
And in about 1916, Russia printed stamps on cardboard to enable them to circulate without getting crumpled - they printed some text on what would normally have been the adhesive side explaining their monetary purpose, if I remember correctly.  I have a set somewhere - will see if I can find it.

I notice muntenman mentioned these here:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,214.msg558.html#msg558

Here are mine:



The right-hand example in each case shows the common "other side"; in the top row it's a second 15 kopek, in the bottom a 3 kopek.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 12:21:56 AM »
America was actually the first country to issued encased stamp tokens.They were issued just after the Civil War,due to a coin shortage.The stamps were placed behind mica windows.

The British Armed Forces use a series of laminated paper tokens,which circulate as substitutes for coins.You can see them at http://www.efipogs.com .Unfortunately,these are not listed in the Pick catalogue like the American ones are.The first issues have the denominations expressed in Cents with the later issues having the denomination expressed in Euro-Cents.

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2009, 12:49:31 AM »
This article comes with a picture of another "stamp coin":
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briefmarkenkapselgeld

By the way, there were also "banknotes" that had stamps attached:
http://www.moneypedia.de/index.php/Briefmarkengeld

But apparently the production was fairly costly, so such "stamp notes" have not been very successful.

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 12:57:25 AM »
Bulawayo issued a series of stamp card banknotes in 1900.These are listed in the Pick Specialised catalogue as banknotes,but incorrectly under 'South Africa'.These very rare notes are regarded as being the very first Rhodesian banknotes.I have got one of the 6d. ones in my collection.

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 01:05:03 AM »
Thanks, Christian. I'l be looking out for German and Austrian encased stamps now. Thanks to Martin & Aidan, I'll be looking for Russians too. Those American thingies are a bit expensive.

I noticed the Wikipedia article doesn't mention Denmark and Spain. My German isn't good enough, but if you want to add that story to the lemma, go ahead. You can use the scans too if you want, though they are disfigured by the light effects ...

Peter
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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2020, 11:25:52 AM »
I thought I'd wake this thread up after so many years. I found this interesting piece of French encased postage and it seemed the right place to post it.

Mr. Google has let me down again. I'm not really getting good translations so I'm not sure who issued it. I thought it could be roughly dated from the stamp itself. Any help in identifying it would be appreciated.

The area of encased postage collecting is interesting. I've thought many times over the years about adding some to my collecting, but over here they've always been quite pricey. The only US issue that is reasonably priced is the Ayers examples (image attached). Even these relatively common pieces are expensive though.

Knowing very little about encased postage, I thought it was a short-lived American only experiment in emergency money. Now I know better and that makes the genre even more interesting. Here's some interesting history I came across.
https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibition/about-us-stamps-special-use-stamps/encased-postage-stamps

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2020, 12:14:19 PM »
Three in my collection: Austria, Germany and Argentina

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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2020, 12:42:09 PM »
Thank you for reviving this thread! Spectabulous contributions.

Translation of the French token:
  • Comptoir L. Vaisse & Cie. - Office/shop of [company name]
  • 99 Rue de Richelieu . Paris - [company address] This street now houses a number of stamp and coin/precious metal trading shops. It is close to the old Paris stock exchange.
  • Renseignements commerciaux - commercial/marketing information
  • Indications de représentants - information on agents
  • Listes d'adresses - address lists
  • Bté S.G.D.G. - Breveté Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement
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Re: Paper money, yet not banknotes
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2020, 02:06:41 PM »
Three in my collection: Austria, Germany and Argentina
I see your first example is dated 1862. That's the very early years of this type of encasement. As far as I know they were only popular in 1862 / 1863 in the US during the Civil War. Once private medal tokens were issued and federal coinage caught up to the demand they became irrelevant . Three nice examples, Henk.

Thank you for reviving this thread! Spectabulous contributions.

Translation of the French token:

Well, I just learned a new word, Peter. Spectabulous is a rather elegant word, one that might be called a "$3 word" here. :)

Thanks for the translations.

Bruce

  • Comptoir L. Vaisse & Cie. - Office/shop of [company name]
  • 99 Rue de Richelieu . Paris - [company address] This street now houses a number of stamp and coin/precious metal trading shops. It is close to the old Paris stock exchange.
  • Renseignements commerciaux - commercial/marketing information
  • Indications de représentants - information on agents
  • Listes d'adresses - address lists
  • Bté S.G.D.G. - Breveté Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement
Peter
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