Author Topic: Please Help in identification: AE Falus Ilkhanid Hulagu 654-663AH ?  (Read 1821 times)

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Offline mkm1968

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Help to identify a coin, diameter of 18 mm, 2 grams
6 months the coin is exposed on Zeno and there is no comment

http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=126140

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2013, 10:43:36 AM »
I would guess an Iranian or possibly Afghani falus. Compare the Tabriz coin here.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 12:38:41 PM »
Peter, on style of a coin at once it is visible, that they were minted at various times. The technics of stamping strongly differs. Style of the letter also differs. I doubt, that on my coin the sun is represented - though all can be.
To read an inscription on a coin...

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2013, 04:28:41 PM »
Looks like the important part of legend is on Obv & not readable, Rev has 'al Sultan'  across the middle as best I can tell, the Obv seems to have Cufic style angular script, you might try it on facebook coin forums or I will add it for you if you like
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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2013, 04:33:19 PM »
Thanks, I would be not against as it would be desirable to learn true in any ways

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2013, 04:43:14 PM »
I'm confused by the weight given as 2g ? surely it's more than 2 grams for 18mm coin unless it's very thin?
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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2013, 04:45:20 PM »
Coin thin

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2013, 04:47:18 PM »
I posted it on 3 forums, should get reply shortly  :o 8)
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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2013, 04:49:41 PM »
Thanks, we will wait for opinions

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2013, 04:58:05 PM »
To data: on Rasmircoins this coin was discussed, the result is not present

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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2013, 04:58:27 PM »
Replies coming in already from worldwide experts although nothing for sure as yet,

here are comments so far:
 Looks like one of the Turkomen coins from Syria, Turkey liike the artuquids, Zangids etc which imitated the ancient greek ones they dug up

Obverse looks like a Gorgon, though don't think I have seen that type on the Zangid, Artuquid, Danshemid coins before
The bow on the reverse seems to be influenced by Chingizid and Ilkhan (both Mongol dynasties

The scroll work around the text does remind me of the Ilkhanids

 like a bow and arrow. There is a series of mostly early Ilkhan types with a bow just like this on the reverse.
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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2013, 09:14:27 PM »
more replies including this one from the notable numismatist Shailen Bhandare

 I think this is an ilkhanid coin of Hulagu - al-Sultan in center, 'Hula' above and 'Ku' below.

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Shailen, I think you are correct. It is not in Diler's book on Ilkhans, but there is one copper somewhat similar. There are so many unpublished Ilkhan coppers that it's not surprising it's not in there.
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Re: Please Help in identification
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2013, 10:31:55 PM »
Summing up to all heard, I do a conclusion, that it falus (a copper coin) Ilkhanid Hulagu 654-663AH (1256-1265AD) ND NM, neopublished in book Diler's, - al-Sultan in centre, ' Hula ' above and ' Ku ' below.
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Thanks once again