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Attached picture is of a similar coin but round in shape. Please help identify.
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Re: Another similar coin
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 02:41:09 PM »
Looks like a Hyderabadi Pie to me.

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Re: Another similar coin
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 02:58:17 PM »
OK, I think this is a Pie or 2 Pie (depending on the weight and diameter) dated 1322 AH struck during the reign of Mir Mahbum Ali Khan II.

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Another similar coin.
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 07:49:49 PM »
Mahesh,
  This looks like a 2 Pai (the Hyderabadi equivilant of 'Pie') to me.

Hyderabad attempted to become an independent native monarchy within the British Commonwealth in late 1947 & early 1948.

Here's an article about how Hyderabad was forcibly incorporated into the Dominion of India in 1948; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Polo .

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Re: Another similar coin
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 08:35:02 PM »
Thanks Aidan. Fascinating reading.

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 09:18:37 PM »
Mahesh,
  You're welcome.One day,I will be posting up photos of my Hyderabadi coins.I prefer the designs of the milled silver rather than the copper coins,but I'll still collect the copper & cupro-nickel coins.

Did you know that some of the descendants of the very last Moghul Emperor live in Hyderabad?

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Re: Hyderabadi Pie of Mir Mahbum Ali Khan II: 1322 AH
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 03:02:05 PM »
The coin is indeed a two pai (value is given in the centre circle of the reverse: Do pai ). It was struck during the reign of Mir Mabub Ala Khan II (AH1285-1329/AD1868-1911). Ref.: Y#35.

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The series comprises of three issues a one pai (Eek Pai), a two pai (Do Pai) and a half Anna (Neem Anna)
Y#34, One Pai, AH1327/Ry.45
Y#35, Two Pai, AH1325/Ry.(40), but the Ry. has not been engraved above the word Jalus on the reverse.
KM#Pnxx, Pattern for half Anna (Y#36), AH1320/Ry.35.
The obverse bear the name of the Nizam in Tughra style with AH/date below. The initial (Meem) of the Nizam Mirbabub Ali Khan II is shown on the left-hand side.
The reverse has the value in the centre circle. The legend around reads: Jalus Maimenet Manus Zarb Farkhanda Bunyad Hyderabad.
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Re: Hyderabadi Pie of Mir Mahbum Ali Khan II: 1322 AH
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 03:21:53 PM »
Would you consider this to be a valuable coin? Any merit in getting more of these?

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Re: Hyderabadi Pie of Mir Mahbum Ali Khan II: 1322 AH
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 04:24:50 PM »
Oesho, your explanation of the coin is invaluable. Thanks a ton.

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Re: Hyderabadi Two Pai of Mir Mabub Ala Khan II (AD1868-1911). Ref.: Y#35
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 05:24:37 PM »
Hi Mahesh,
There is merit to getting more of your type of Hyderabadi two pai coins.  They make fantastic gifts to two pai deprived coin collectors of the world.  For example, one of them is me!  ::)
All kidding aside, your coin,  in its current condition, is NOT a valuable coin:  well worn, rim damaged. One really good example of this type is worth a dozen in bad condition, at least to me. My old catalog suggests that your coin may be worth less than a US dollar.     
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2008, 12:38:28 AM »
Richie,
  One day,I will be posting up my Hyderabadi coins,as I find the dates to be very hard to try & figure out from the Perso-Arabic inscriptions.My eyes aren't as good as they used to be.

By the way,Hyderabad & Bahawalpur were not the only British Commonwealth countries that used a Toughra symbol.Pakistan also used one as well.

Aidan.

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Re: Hyderabadi Two Pai of Mir Mabub Ala Khan II (AD1868-1911). Ref.: Y#35
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2008, 12:46:12 AM »
That pattern is just breathtaking.

@BCN, I have the same problem. The solution is simple. Scan the coin at 1200 dpi and enjoy seeing the tiniest detail splashed giant size over your screen. Try it. You'll love it.

BTW, you'll ind that the coins of Egypt as British protectorate also have a toughra.

Peter
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Re: Hyderabadi Two Pai of Mir Mabub Ala Khan II (AD1868-1911). Ref.: Y#35
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2008, 01:30:56 AM »
Aidan,
I totally second Peter's advice.  I find blowing up coins in that way places a lot less strain on my eyes than using an optical device.  I wish that I lived closer to you so that I could show you in person.
richie

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Re: Hyderabadi Two Pai of Mir Mabub Ala Khan II (AD1868-1911). Ref.: Y#35
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 10:03:53 AM »
Looks like this one is missing the regnal year on the reverse:



India, Indian princely states, Hyderabad, Nizam Mirbabub Ali Khan II (Mir Mahbub Ali Khan II) (AH 1285-1329 / 1869-1911 AD.), dated AH 1324 = 1906 AD.,
1/2 Anna (Neem Anna, 1/32 rupee) (31 mm / 11,47 g),
Obv.: ... ۱۳۲۴ , toughra, with the initial (Meem) of the Nizam Mirbabub Ali Khan II on the left side, legends and AH date 1324 below, flower to r .
Rev.: ... , "Jalus Maimenet Manus Zarb Farkhanda Bunyad Hyderabad" , Persian legend containing mint name Farkhanda Bunyad Hydarabad, no regnal year date at 6-7 o┬┤clock at the inner circle.
KM Y 36 var. (no regnal year) .

Krause lists regnal years 38 and 40 for AH date ۱۳۲۴.

Or am i too blind to see, are the persian numerals located somewhere else on the reverse of my specimen?

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Re: Hyderabadi Two Pai of Mir Mabub Ala Khan II (AD1868-1911). Ref.: Y#35
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2012, 01:22:27 PM »
See reply #6 upthread

The following should add to this discussion:

(...)
Y#35, Two Pai, AH1325/Ry.(40), but the Ry. has not been engraved above the word Jalus on the reverse.
(...)

Peter
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