Indian gold piece?

[redwine]

Our friends on the French forum are having trouble attributing these pieces.  I hope you can help.  Many thanks. 

1st: 4.2g
diameter 15mm

2nd:
6.2 g
diameter: 16 mm
depth: 2-3mm

Original post here:
http://www.numismatique.com/forum/identifications-monnaies/monnaie-identifie-t59471.html

[redwine]

Does anyone have any ideas?  Many thanks. 

[akona20]

At first look I would have said Celtic.

[Figleaf]

I don't think it is Indian. The pointy thing does not at all look like a katar. It could be the tip of a spear, but that's unlikely to occur in this shape (between two lines) on an Indian coin. I don't think it is a sceptre or a sword, which Indian coins do use - but again not between two lines.

I don't have enough knowledge in the field of Celtic coins to go further.

Peter

[andyg]

A similar, if not the same piece, I think was sold by Ebay seller BritishIndia4 with the description -
"2x OLD UN USUAL THICK GOLD Copper KNIFE & SUN Coin INDIA (#330905676387)"

that item was bought by another seller who sells things as "metal detector finds"
pity the links to the pictures no longer work.

[redwine]

Thanks guys.
I'm no expert on the Celts yet.
I have surfed all the info I have on the Western Celts and I see no obvious candidates.
Perhaps the Boii tribe.  I think the answer lies further East.  I'm hoping cavaros can help.

You were right Andy they are described as "Copper" & "Hammered " Dump " coinage."
My gut instinct is there is something not quite right here. I'm thinking Bulgaria or perhaps a local Indian craftsman having some fun

[cavaros]

Looks like the Polish Celts (which explains the Boii connection), probably central Poland:

http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/the-celts-in-poland/

[andyg]

A similar, if not the same piece, I think was sold by Ebay seller BritishIndia4 with the description -
"2x OLD UN USUAL THICK GOLD Copper KNIFE & SUN Coin INDIA (#330905676387)"

that item was bought by another seller who sells things as "metal detector finds"
pity the links to the pictures no longer work.

...and they are now trying to sell it exactly as I thought
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METAL-DETECTOR-FIND-RARE-7-72g-ANCIENT-INDIAN-COIN-BEAUTIFUL-/300953330847?pt=UK_Coins_Ancient_RL&hash=item461237649f

[Afrasi]

The patterns look very Celtic indeed, but the coin is too thick for a Celtic one - and the design is too far from an Indian one ...

I am not not a specialist in Celts, nor in early Indians, but I would be highly surprised, if this piece turns out to be a real coin.

[akona20]

Please note Cavaros' comments above. Given his expertise I would be guided however a gold blob with some scribble on it is always a possibility.

[andyg]

Please note Cavaros' comments above. Given his expertise I would be guided however a gold blob with some scribble on it is always a possibility.

The original seller - BritishIndia4 - sources his stuff from India....

It always amuses me when sellers don't know what they have, so ergo - it must be "RARE"

[redwine]

If you have a look at the ebay ad posted by Andy, I think a bit of the gold? coating has come off.
Somebody's bid 50 quid!
And if put in your garden and find it again then I suppose it is a metal detector find 

[Figleaf]

Follow Cavaros' link and you'll find that this piece is a bit too well defined.

Peter

[saro]

Most probably a "copy" and not in gold...
This coin has been sold on eBay with this description of the seller : "copper metal of a gold color" and sold for 15 GBP...

No chance it could be in gold or genuine !

[cavaros]

Although it somewhat resembles the Polish Celtic coins linked to above, my gut feeling tells me that there is something not quite right about this coin.