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Ghorid Elephant Jital, Ghiyat 1163 - 1203 AD, Shafuryan mint
« on: December 27, 2012, 09:39:43 PM »
I think this is low grade silver or billon, I can read Sultan across the top apart from that I hope the Elephant is a clue to identify it

2.70g   16mm
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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 09:55:47 PM »
Mahmud bin Muhammad bin Sam seems to ring a bell with the elephant.

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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 10:00:02 PM »
Mahmud bin Muhammad bin Sam seems to ring a bell with the elephant.

couldn't find one in G/G under bin sam
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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 10:05:51 PM »
From memory Delhi Sultanate at the time of the reign (or there abouts) of Mu'iz al din Muhammad ibn Sam so late 500's AH.

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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 11:10:11 PM »
For me the clue is probably not the elephant, but the combination with the rider with the spear.

I believe it is Ghorid, and possibly the other bin Sam (his brother) : Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad bin Sam.
see: http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=5177
Unfortunately, the defining element, the name Ghyath, should be present in the second line after al-azam, but is unreadable.

On a sidenote: "elephant rider with spear" jitals are listed in Tye's Jitals for Ghorid rulers Ghyath al-din Muhammad bin Sam (Tye 134) and Ghyath al-din Mahmud bin Muhammad (Tye 147) and Khwarezm Sha Ala al-din Muhammad (Tye 227).
However, on Zeno there is a specimen listed under Ghyath al-din Muhammad bin Sam, which clearly reads the name of his brother Mu'izz. This type is unlisted in Jitals.
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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 11:31:02 PM »
My memory is from readin Valentine. As I have my copy out on loan I cannot check it. Maybe Valentine had the attribution incorrect in his work on this. Given that mine is a Venture Low price printing of both books I would suggest if someone has this to check around Page 140 from memory.

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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 11:33:35 PM »
For me the clue is probably not the elephant, but the combination with the rider with the spear.

I believe it is Ghorid, and possibly the other bin Sam (his brother) : Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad bin Sam.
see: http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=5177

Your right,   ;D definitely Ghorid, several on zeno refered to as Elephant Jitals, Ghiyat 1163 - 1203 AD, minted at Shafuryan
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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 11:50:30 PM »
My memory is from readin Valentine. As I have my copy out on loan I cannot check it. Maybe Valentine had the attribution incorrect in his work on this. Given that mine is a Venture Low price printing of both books I would suggest if someone has this to check around Page 140 from memory.

A similar coin is listed on page 140 ;D under Sultans of Dehli as per Valentines era but now not included & hence not in G/G
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 11:54:45 PM »
well that part of my memory is still fine. I will alter my copy when it is returned. Now can my memory adjust to the change?

This also perhaps helps with another coin of mine in valentines marked as Indian which i have had some grave doubts about for some time.

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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 12:03:14 AM »
Times have changed, like so many of my Rupees originally listed & sold as Mughal now have to be relegated to Princely states because of their mint
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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 12:20:49 AM »
Compare with Tye 134

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Re: Islamic coin with Elephant
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 03:49:51 AM »
The Princely Sate discussion is certainly not closed for a variety of reasons.