Author Topic: Madura Sultanate - Jalal Al-Din Ahsan Shah Gold 1/3 Tanka or Pagoda (G&G-MD1)  (Read 4693 times)

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Sultans of Madurai (Madura):

Jalal Al-Din Ahsan Shah (AH 734-740 / AD 1333/4-1339)

G&G-MD1: Pagoda or 1/3 Tanka 3.66g

Obv: ahsan shah
Rev: khalifat al-zaman
Rarity: Extremely Rare

This particular coin is NOT mine and was auctioned off by Baldwin's Auction House.
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is the last one numeral in the date = 6 ?
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is the last one numeral in the date = 6 ?

G&G indicates that the date on these coins are AH735

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Ram
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Ram,

thank you so much for this help. "Live and learn" is the best proverb for me in this case :)

I'll add this variant of writing "5" to hejira's converter tonight.

Including this one, now I know 7 different shapes of how Arab numeral "5" had been written.

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Here are the cropped versions of that particular shape of 5:

Are they correct enough?
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Here are the cropped versions of that particular shape of 5:

Are they correct enough?

Looks good to me, but I am extremely new to reading Arabic.  Pattern-wise, it seems accurate.  Its reasons like this that it is important to have a wide variety of images for any particular coin.  It aids in identification as well as exchange of knowledge...


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Here is another specimen. Borrowed from Baldwin's site. As you can see, the third digit is shaped almost the same way. That said, I am at a loss how this can be a 5...

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I 've found this (particular, I believe) gold coin @ Zeno Database, they also say it is 735: http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=49439

What else might that be? Not 0 or 1 or 2, not 7 or 8, not 3 - because 3 is just nearby and it is obviously different, not 9. Not 4.

So 5 or 6, to my knowledge, and my 1-st thought was - this is 6.

I think we need some strong proof to finally get the meaning.
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The ٤ symbol, is in modern Arabic a 4.
During the Sultanate period and the earlier part of the Mughal rule in India this symbol represents a 5. In Persian the 5 has become an heart-shape, the closed form of this٤symbol.

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Oesho,

with this discussed symbol, my line of "5" shapes looks like the following on the picture related.

Is everything there correct?
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The coin in zeno is actually the same coin I have shown.  It is from a Baldwin's Auction.  As for the coin shown by Pete, it is actually the same as the coin I have shown here (G&G-MD2 http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,18411.0.html).  There are other variations of the same coin.  According to G&G, these coins were issued on the following dates:

G&G-MD1: AH735
G&G-MD2: AH735-AH739

The reign of this particular shah was between AH734-AH740.  He revolted and declared independence in AH733.  If the numeral is NOT a 5, then G&G needs some revisions for some of its attributions. 

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Ram
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Here is a Tanka that I screen-grabbed from G&G for D471 which was issued by Firuz Shah Tughluq in AH785.  It has the same type of 5 as well...

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So now I'm sure it is 5.

It's gonna be smth middle between
A. ٤ with a long vertical line at the right side.
and
B. ۵ where the top is open-ended (open-loop).
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In Persian the 5 has become an heart-shape, the closed form of this٤symbol.

That clears it up. It's the Persian heart-shaped 5 without the upper part. Thank you, Oesho.

@inscriptor: it might be helpful to put the hear shape and the heart shape without the pointy top close together.

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>@inscriptor: it might be helpful to put the hear shape and the heart shape without the pointy top close together.

Good idea!

Now done. "W"-like five is now the third from the top, in the column of fives.


Images of coins issued @ 735 and 744 AH had been added to the tab "Images of coins" as  pic #24 and pic #25, respectively.
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