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Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« on: October 12, 2012, 02:13:11 PM »
thick: between 2,35 and 2,71 mm
size: between 19,4 and 19,9 mm
weight: 4,05 grams

« Last Edit: June 19, 2014, 07:10:31 PM by Michiel »

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 04:35:34 PM »
I am not sure, but it looks Moroccan to me ....

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 04:38:10 PM »
definitely a cast coin from Morocco
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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 04:42:46 PM »
it really looks like morocco  :)

so the year can be 12x6.

Ill go back looking in the books.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 04:55:15 PM by neozion »

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 05:19:51 PM »
I've seen something similar, which was a Marrakesh 2 Falus around AH 1225-1235.



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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 05:38:56 PM »
I've seen something similar, which was a Marrakesh 2 Falus around AH 1225-1235.

the 2 falus is more than 7 gramms. Mine is much lighter. And the AH1226 is an rare date.
But it looks like it,

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 05:41:15 PM »
I have something similar, illustrated below. Mine is a bit thinner, lighter and broader than the OP's. It's not in the best condition but I'm fairly sure there's genuinely nothing on the non-star side, and that it hasn't just worn down. I too know nothing about this and would welcome attribution... I will have a look in Morocco in KM.

20.6 mm, 3.80 g

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 05:46:15 PM »
I would guess 1266, the first 6 being 50% "filled" in the casting mould.

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 05:49:27 PM »
The 1 falus seems more likely for both of our coins -- the weight and diameter ranges fit in both cases. So KM 122a.1 for neozion's if the date is 1266. Still unsure about my dateless one though.

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2012, 06:18:14 PM »
The 1 falus seems more likely for both of our coins -- the weight and diameter ranges fit in both cases. So KM 122a.1 for neozion's if the date is 1266. Still unsure about my dateless one though.

I'm quite sure about the AH1266. if I look with the 25x times magnifier the 3rd number is 6.

The 122a.1 can't it be IMHO. Size and weight is good, seal of salomon also, but the lines under and above the year are completly differend.

 EDIT: i have the 2007 krause edition. There is not an KM122a.1. But there is an C122a.1 With the seal of salomon, but with waves under and above the 1266. I have 4 lines instead of waves.
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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2012, 04:18:40 PM »
in numismaster the 122a.1 is the one with waves.
http://secure.numismaster.com/ta/Coins.admin?rnd=FBBWLAZF&@impl=coins.ui.ucatalog.flat.coin.UiControl_FindResults&@prms=536561726368547970653d31&@windowId=FDBVD&Origin=3&AdvanceSearch=0&PRefine=&Country=Morocco&Denom=&CountryId=225&DenomId=&KM=122a.1&Comp=&Date=

in coinfactswiki I find the one with lines under and above the year
http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/Morocco_AH_1261_1_falus

I have also the 5th edition, but in coinfacts they talk about the km122a.1 with the lines.

In numismaster i cant find it. In my book also not.

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2014, 07:13:06 PM »
Today I came across of this coin again. In the new catalog still can't find him. Not as 1256 or 1266.
any one an idea? maybe I read the year wrong and it must be something else than 1256 or 1266?

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2014, 07:36:14 PM »
It is a (lightweight) piece of 1 Falus, second standard  (AH 1250-1269), dated AH 1266.

For coins from Morocco KM was never of great help ...

Much better is
Benziane, Khalid: Catalogue des Monnaies du Maroc, second edition, 2011
and the best is
Eustache, Daniel: Corpus des Monnaies des Alawites, Rabat, 1984

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2014, 07:37:55 PM »
 I came across an 1246 fallus. And after an good look i believe it can be 1246 instead of 1256 or 1266.
And than it can be good the c122.1
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces35162.html

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Re: Falus 1266 morocco without mm, not in krause
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2014, 11:41:39 PM »
I told you, what it is. I cannot do more.

btw: The coin shown at numista is perhaps 1256, probably 1266, but never 1246 ...