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Nagasaki Trade Coin; Gen Ho Tsu Ho - 1659 - 1667
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:54:34 PM »
I've managed to identify quite a few from that Northern Sung Website I linked to, I found the symbol at the top on some Chinese coins in KM but not all four on one coin

3.38g  24mm copper or bronze
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Re: Bronze cash coin to identify
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 11:24:21 PM »
China, cash, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69. Characters: yuan (top) feng (right) tung (bottom) pao (left).

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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 11:52:37 PM »
Thank you Peter, too early for KM so I have a good excuse for not finding it  ;D
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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 12:21:05 AM »
In the book Cast Chinese coins by David Hartill he states that ths coin actually is of Japanese origin.
The Chinese version should have three vertical strokes on the top of the feng character (right character).

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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 03:31:49 PM »
Do you have a coin with the three strokes? Hartill is a member of WoC. Maybe he can comment on how he arrived at this conclusion. Maybe Remmelts is wrong after all. Good fun, this.

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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 03:52:53 PM »
I do not have such a coin, I only have those Japanese version.

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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 12:07:28 PM »
Hello,

the coin of capnbirdseye is from Japan.

Nagasaki Trade Coin; Gen Ho Tsu Ho
cast from 1659 - 1667

Unfortunately, I own no Chinese piece. Weepio has properly explained the difference.
There are 2 main variations and countless modifications of it.

The main kinds are: 1-Dot Tsu and 2-Dot Tsu


The differentiation to the chinese coin:

chinese:

japanese:

Obvious Remmelts makes here a small mistake. Possibly he lacked literature for the search which is available Today.

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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2012, 01:18:43 PM »
That makes it clear, Pingu. Thank you!

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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 04:41:07 PM »
Thank you everyone, very interesting indeed finding all about these coins
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Re: China, emperor Sheng Tsung, era yuan feng (1078-1085), Remmelts 69
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 02:34:40 AM »
Nagasaki Trade Coin  ::)

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Re: Nagasaki Trade Coin; Gen Ho Tsu Ho - 1659 - 1667
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 09:06:57 AM »
Congratulations, Anh Tu. Nice collection. Do you also have the Chinese coin that served as inspiration?

Peter
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Re: Nagasaki Trade Coin; Gen Ho Tsu Ho - 1659 - 1667
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 01:49:15 PM »
Well, I have collected this category!  ;D